Hi Bodhisattva, I'm a student of Bukti Negara in Holland under Walter van den Broeke, one of the current 'controversial' practitioners of PDT Bukti Negara. For me he is not controversial since his skill level is more than enough to train for a lifetime, which is good enough for me. Luckily on this forum there is not too much to do about Serak and related Arts. Silat.tv has become a terrible place sadly. From what group are you? Related to Danny Huybrechts, Stevan Plinck or Victor de Thouars? Hormat, Taoizt