[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwKvCvEcOjA"]aikido - YouTube[/ame] I take Hapkido, and I'm interested in taking Aikido once I go to college next year. However, after seeing that particular video I'm starting to question how any of that could be applied to a real fight? In hapkido we learn how to tear people's arms and legs off . I understand it's a demonstration, but I really can't see those techniques doing much of anything if sped up. Someone please explain what's going on ?
About that clip, I have no idea. Keep in mind that this is also aikido: http://youtube.com/watch?v=29x7kmqLw0s as is this: http://youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=1sCevYMrZtY
It was obviously a lecture on balance. On youtube, search for "steven seagal black belt test." It's different. Yoshinkan Aikido tends to be more aggressive than other versions of aikido. Dillon's 2nd link is yoshinkan and showed some slaps to the face. There's also Nihon Goshin Aikido. Sensei Robert MacEwan (in New Jersey) kicks royal ass. I love his video tapes. But, on the downside, this version of aikido has no connection with Morihei Ueshiba, the recognized founder of aikido.
I have little time at all for these types of demonstrations where there is no sense of danger and the implication is that people can be "easily" controlled and unbalanced. I do not view this as a realistic demonstration of aikido. koyo
You have to understand there are many many versions of Aikido. All have some different goals and objectives. Yoshinkan is more concerned with abrupt, practical techniques, others yet are more of the fancy dancy fairy aikido that has lost some of its martial aspect and replaced it with more emphasis on mastery of the spiritual self through disciplined movement, not unlike tai chi.Different strokes for different folks is all i have to say. Each art will contribute a little to your total self defense package. The aggressive syles of Aikido will be nicely compatible with similary aggressive styles of Hapkido. Just be sure to have a clear goal of what you wish to obtain from your training and realistically strive to it. Blessin's JD
J D Hughes I've read/heard that police officers recieve either aikido or psudo aikido type training in many cases. As a police officer can you expand on that? We're you given any type of aikido training? If so was it Yoshinkan or another form? I remember speaking at a bar with a female corrections officer who took a week or so of Aikido during her training and was quite confident she could not only kick my ass but could take on anyone in the bar heh
Heh heh heh! How many shots had she consumed? I have an Airborne friend who was a close-quarter combat instructor earlier in his Army career. He was talking about Army training one time, and said that when he taught CQC there would always be a few soldiers with the attitude that now having learned this stuff, they could kick ass in bar fights. Well, those soldiers would come back to the base later with bruises on their faces wanting to know why things didn't go as planned. That said, there's a famous female aikido instructor named Wendy Palmer who could toss around big men quite well. She studied for longer than a week, though. A lot longer.
The girl had quite a few I'd imagine. She wanted to come to our school and teach. It was funny of course but the sad thing is that I think these week long classes give the user a false sense of security. I think that's something women really have to watchful of. I'm reading Wendy Palmers book The Practice of Freedom. I'm only into the first few chapters but I think it's going to be a good read, I've already found myself connecting with what she's writing. Also watched a video by Mary Heiny (Aikido principals and tecniques) which I really enjoyed, but thats getting off topic
Mary Heiny came to town last year for a seminar. I attended, and I was her uke several times. That woman is GOOD! I did not fake the falls. She legitimately tossed me around like a rag doll --- and she's like as old as my grandma! I pity the fool who attacks her in a dark alley at 3 am!
SOG, Ive been doing Aikido on my own for quite some time, but in the Academy we were supposed to stick to the curriculum laid out by FDLE. FDLE ( Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement ) has a great deal of HEAVILY watered down Aikido and jujutsu techniques as a part of the curriculum. I went to Seminole Community College and was fortunate enough to have 3 instructors of various styles, one from Aikido, though I sadly am not positive of the style. I believe it was Yoshinkan due to the sharp movements and him calling Ikkyo Ikkajo, Nikky Nikajo etc, but they took the time to teach us things outside the curriculum that we could actually use. We were shown the FDLE version of Ikkyo, and then how to really use ikkyo. Virtually every technique was followed with, "ok forget you saw that, now you would really want to do something like this...." I have used primarily a synthesis of Jujitsu, Judo and Aikido techniques in Police work. Each time ive used aikido tecniques ive done so with great success. For striking I prefer muay thai. My department doesnt provide any training ( sadly ) other than the bare minimum of watered-down restraining holds required by FDLE. Its actually sad. I, luckily have been in the arts since I was 4 and have a one up on the streets. When I watch Cops or Wildest Police Videos I often times feel ashamed to watch those boys work. I look on thinking "Ive never had that problem before. Why didnt he just ______( fill in the blank )" Ive been tackled, Ive wrestled a guy trying to relieve me of my gun, Ive been attacked by a nut with a knife, ballbat and a fork ( yes, a pewter kitchen fork ). Ive been puncked at, kicked at, spit at, had rocks thrown at me, had a felon try to run me over, Ive fought skilled thughs, unskilled thugs and just plain out tough men... you name it Ive been there. I swear by Practical Aikido. Not fairy dancy Aikido, but hard hitting, fast and accurate Aikido. Add a little jujutsu for some clinch and ground work, learn to throw good hands and feet and you have a very effective system of personal defense and even a good system of offense. Just my 2 cents. Blessin's JD
So why don't we try to expand on that a little. I know this may be silly, but let's say a beginner reads this thread and wants to do some practical Aikido. Which 'styles' would be a good start? Yes I know it's the teacher and not the art, but a beginner might not know the difference between bad and good Aikido. So we seem to have already identified Yoshinkan as a practical style of Aikido, so what others would be a good place for the beginner to look for a good, practical Aikido class? PS This is not about whose style is better.
Youve said it yourself, its the teacher. Youshinkan, Youseikan, Nihon Goshin... It comes down to personal judgement. If you get the feel that you yourself could never apply it then dont bother, its not for everyone. Ive only tried a few styles of Aikido. I cant speak for every single system of it out there. Some people take their own view of it and found a new system. Is this wrong? Hell no, its how the arts develop. Try a style. If it the instructor tells you that it will look like dancy fairy motion when its applied in a real situation, then its Bullshido. If the instructor tels you strikes are not important, its bull. If more time is spent meditating than practive then its not geared toward self defense. It looks ugly as sin when its applied, but it still works. Compare Judo Kata to Olympic matches... same technique. One looks ugly, crude and brutal, the other looks refined and poetic. Cheers, JD Dont know what your going to make of that, but i cant make decisions for people. I can only speak for myself.
