WTF or ITF

Discussion in 'Tae Kwon Do Resources' started by ronmeister, May 12, 2003.

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ITF VS WTF

  1. WTF < ITF

    58.3%
  2. ITF < WTF

    50.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Prof Chang Ung is an IOC Member from NK. He lives in Wien Austria at the ITF Headquarters. Master MacCullum is now back home living in Scotland & the ITF is now based out of Italy & Quebec City Canada, soon moving to Spain for more tax favored shelter. Master Choi's ITF is based in the UK, the home of their Secty Genl, Master Nicholls.
     
  2. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Can you expand on this sir? How was he forced?
     
  3. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    No actually you are 100% wrong. ITF TKD is taught throughout NK. They have a very extensive training system where talented youngsters are identified early on & are shifted into more elaborate & comprehensive training. This is how they field such strong teams & players on the world stage. Jusy like the former Soviet Union & East Geramny did with other sports. Mr. Choi was never banished from NK, he exiled himself from SK to avoid political pressure that may have eventually resulted in house arrest or worse, as he was becoming a more vocal critic of the SK military dictator Park Chung Hee, that was in 1972. He was never allowed to return. he first went to NK in 1979 & took the ITF Demo Team there in 1980. He is buried there in a National Cemetary honored as a Korean patriot for fighting the japanese during the occupation period & being the founder of TKD. He was embraced in the north, which of course caused more problems for him from the south.
     
  4. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    No there is no ITF run out of NK. In Nk they have the Korean TKD Committee, which is the counterpart of the south's KTA. The KTC is the NGB for the ITF-NK, which is headquartered in Wien Austria. The KTC also has a research arm that helps with the development of original TKD!
     
  5. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    No WTF is just not embraced in NK. Since it is a closed communist country people do not have access to it. I think WTF is practiced there, so they can be prepared to look good if they ever compete in the Olympic TKD. ITF was born in SK & is currently trained there with all 3 ITFs having branches there. In fact the ITF-C held their WCs there in Oct of 2004 & is having another one there next. Just this year there was an ITF-NK tournament in SK & an ITF-C one as well.
     
  6. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    The ITF was based in Seoul, SK from its inception on March 22, 1966. It was moved to Toronto Canada in 1972 to remain free of the political interference from the military dictatorship of Park Chubg Hee. it then moved to Wien Austria, a nuetral country in 1985 to allow access to the communist & socialist countries, as TKD was for all, no matter national or political idealogy!
     
  7. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Pretty good info, except for the bold above
     
  8. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    In addition few other than those loyal to Mr. Choi even used the name TKD. So yes he had a specific system & it was called TKD. It is the original or traditional TKD. The WTF is only a sports governing body for Olympic TKD. The KKW is the SK (int)national centre for TKD, Kukki style TKD.
     
  9. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    That opinion was pretty much fact based. Please remember this is not propagnada of the orgs, but what happened. few were using the name TKD, except Choi & his group. The others used all sorts of names & did their own thing which was basically Korean Karate. Choi with his soldiers developed a art in the army, that came basically from Japanese karate. Few started adopted the name till 1965 & finally all the way up to 1978. So it was clear that Choi made his onw system in the army, it was called TKD & they used it almost exclusively since 1955. So when they made it popular worldwide, the others merely adpted the name. So it is crystal clear which is the original TKD.
     
  10. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    True but history is what happened. We should keep the politics out of it, but history is not politics, it is the recording of what happened. We shouldn't shy away from it & we shouldn't let political people use it or manipulate it for their personal means. History should be properly documented for all the future generations. We should not be selfish, nor should we back down from correcting wrongs. We should also give proper credit to those that worked so hard to make what we do now possible. They deserve that I we should have gratitude. I strongly recomend the new book, "The Killing Art, The Untold History of TKD".
     
  11. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    I would also suggest you do some additional research. That quote was written by I think Alexander Franks & appeared in Choi's book that was referred to as the bible of TKD. the last few lines were added by the RITA, the NGB for the ITF in Eire. It is an expression of the outrage at the stealing of the name TKD, when it was used almost exclusively by Choi & his followers for 10-23 years. When you do the research, concentrate not on the ITF propagnda, but rather pieces put out by the WTF, independents, KKW, the other kwans & TKD researchers. They all make it clear they rejected not only the name TKD, but did not want to follow Choi.
     
  12. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    The CDK is the name of an early school in SK that taught Korean karate, not TKD. Many of their graduates were instrumental in creating original TKD when they were solidiers in the SK Army under Gen Choi. It is not retired in SK, as of Aug 1978 & has some kind of social club status. Not usre what they teach in the States under the name CDK.
     
  13. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Please understand the WTF is only a sports governing body for Olympic TKD. The KKW is the org that oversees the Kukki style of TKD that is in SK & around the world. This style, mainly because of the tournament rules makes it the bigger, stronger & more powerful/influential TKD body in the world, towers over the original/traditional TKD & the ITF.
     
  14. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    No I think they come from the ITF books written by Choi Hong Hi! They were slightly different in the 1965 version, which were copied from karate. In 1972 they came into this above present form.
     
  15. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    I think many will be surprised how much came from gen Choi. he was an educated man that rose to the rank of 2 star major-general as a founding member of the ROK Army. he was also the ROK's 1st ambassador to Malaysia. When he wrote the 1st books on TKD they contained things never before documented in KMAs & was probably unprecidented in the MAs. The final work, a 15 volume set of Encylopedia of TKD is also unrivalled. I suggest all students by it.
     
  16. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Yes & Gen Choi documented same in his books.
     
  17. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Well of course the ITf was founded by the original TKD pioneers, so it is natural that parts of it will be used by some, they used their name afterall! I am sure they would take more.
     
  18. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    No the founding organization of TKD was the TKD Association of Korea in 1957, with a politican as president & Gen Choi as the VP. It did not last long. Gen Choi then formed the KTA in 1959. However another KTA, Tae Soo Do was formed in 1961 & the present day KTA in the ROK traces its roots to this org. Gen Choi was elected as the 3rd president in 1965 & he changed the name to TKD. So any of these orgs pre-date the ITF as founding orgs of TKD. In reality TKD was formed by the OhDokwan in the ROK Army in 1955.
     
  19. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    Juniors are limited to only 1st dan till the age 13. They wear a half white & half black belt. Once they turn 13, they can wear a full BB & the clock starts for 2nd dan, etc. The mix of white & black is perfect as black signifies maturity & proficiency, while white signifies innocence. So the mix is perfect, giving credit for the technical achievement, while also showing the inocence of the age.
     
  20. TKDstudent

    TKDstudent Valued Member

    That surprises me. I would be interested in finding out about that. Hopefully you followed up on it. I look for to your response.
     

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