What happens when a martial artist with no full contact experience takes on someone who does...

This is a very good example of what happens when a noob fights someone with Full Contact experience. It so easy to tell the noob has no clue what actual real fighting is! Moral of the story, don't fight unless you have at least sparred full contact:



PS oh, and Muay Thai is just pure amazing!

 

I'm not sure why matches like this still happen.

For this one in particular, it seems to be highlighting style Vs style.

Primarily it highlights someone with a lot more experience Vs a noob, which doesn't need such a match up as that is common sense. You wouldn't have a premiership football team play an office league team.

The takeaway of this video? People still make these videos to add to the existing pile.

 

My take away of the Video, jump him with a mob. XP

 

Sorry quick question, not relating to video, does street fighter erfer to the people partaking in unlawful fights or people who have to fight for life or death ina street? Or is it both of them. No better time to ask than now.

 

It refers to competitors from the world warrior, iron fist, and sometimes the strawman fighting leagues.

 

Makes sense, i use the term like you then, Simon. Would street thug be a better term?

 

But thats scenario training not a street fight, its experienced people used to acting the aggressor wearing protection and trying it on on someone not used to that environment

there are plenty of you tube clips of boxers etc flooring aggressive guys trying to beat them up on the street, as well as clips of grapples launching them on their heads, are we now saying now that the guys they are taking apart arent real street fighters?

If there are plenty of fighters floored by street fighters im sure simon can post clips of guys with clear fighting expereince getting, floored,

Honestly otherwise the post smacks of the old 90s arguments which i thought we had put to bed,

 

But isn't scenario training the closest we can get to a street fight without actually walking into a bar and bitch slapping the biggest, baddest looking hombre in there?

 

You mught learn more by going into a bar and slapping the biggest/toughest person there.

 

Yes but its still artificial, all sides are trained martial artists playing a roll, and if those playing the aggressor have more experience, and are also trained in martial arts and have longer in those arts than you do, is it really representative of what is likely to happen in the street?

And back to the original point whilst nothing can really prepare you for a street fight, which of the two training methods in the original video would you prefer to have trained in when it does hit the fan?

 

As I understand it the aggressors are briefed to try and act as a real aggressor and not to use "martial arts" techniques per se. Haymakers rather than straight and tight right crosses with head movement for example. A waist grab clinch rather than a power double and running the pipe. Obviously that's perhaps not perfect and some aggressors will be much better at replicating "reality" than others but at least it's a start.

The one thing I hold onto as some sort of "truth" in martial arts is to train for the outcome you are after. Rather than training for some other outcome and hoping/wishing/imagining that the other outcome you're will happen as a by-product.

 

1) If you don't train it under pressure it won't work under pressure
2) Mindset and intent will prevail - unless there is a massive gulf in ability
3) All other factors eliminated, a style that has consistent non-compliant training and drilling will be better than one that doesn't
4) Martial Arts and self-defense are not synonymous
5) In an SD situation Action beats reaction - hit them before you are "in a fight" (When John ran a SIM seminar here in Calgary I had to be slowed down in my responses because I pre-empt very quickly due to my background)
6) Most people lack any experience in actual 'real' fights and so should probably avoid polemics when it comes to stating what will and won't work
7) Chances of actually being in a fight are low so enjoying your training should take priority

 

I think number 2 is the most relevant to the "street thug" thing.

They might be good at laying on the intimidation, and most I've come across rely on that to destroy someone's spirit so they can batter them unhindered, but they quickly come unstuck when they don't get the victim they were expecting (when talking about violence for social domination, not ambush).

The people who get into fights every weekend rarely get meaningful feedback that improves their actual fighting skill. They have a go and either batter someone, get battered, or shake hands after a stalemate. On a purely physical and technical level that's no match for training week in, week out.

Awareness, verbal judo and confidence are the prime skills in avoiding violent situations, in my experience. A surprising number of "hard cases" actually seem relieved when given an "out" whereby everyone saves face. Fear and insecurity being the prime motivators for violence.