Trump by name......

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  1. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    I don't have that impression at all. NK was testing bombs underground starting at least in 2013 (maybe earlier?), and it continued those tests through 2016, all while Obama was President. In 2013 NK threatened several times to nuke its enemies, and it even cut the "hotline" between North and South Korea -- again, while Obama was President.

    And we can trace NK's nuclear weapons (or potential weapons -- it's not clear to me that they actually have a working bomb yet) back to that deal Clinton made with NK some 23 years ago regarding nuclear reactors. That's why I say Trump inherited a bad situation. Granted he's a fool in a lot of ways, but he didn't have anything to do with creating this situation. (shrug)

    (shrug) As usual, it's okay for someone else to threaten to nuke his enemies multiple times (here, NK). We won't blame that person for anything, including the current tension over war, no. But it's not okay if Trump makes that threat. We'll blame him for every problem under the sun. (shrug) Man, the double-standard bothers me so much!! Argh! :mad:
     
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  2. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    I look at it this way , pretty much everyone views Kim Jong un as a bit of a loon and no one is 100% sure they have a viable nuclear weapon anyway.
    Whereas, Trump is the president of the USA , and as such is held to a much higher standard when it comes to rhetoric, especially when talking about nuclear weapons.
     
  3. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

  4. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    It's one thing detonating on or under ground, as I understand it's quite another to be able to package that device in such a way it can be reliably mounted onto an icbm and launched.
     
  5. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award



    Re difficulties creating a icbm

    also issue isn't really what happens if NK hits mainland America with a ICBM, its what happens when Korea is in itself wiped out, and Japan etc is hit, and what happens as a result of this, millions will die, and they'll be a new arms race.

    This is not thinking long term.
     
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  6. pgsmith

    pgsmith Valued dismemberer

    I am totally floored and astounded by this attitude. North Korea is a small dictatorship run by a megalomaniac whose path to holding power is based upon his rhetoric and defiance of everyone. The United States of America is arguably the largest superpower on the planet, and is expected to provide leadership to the world. Yet here you are, saying that it isn't fair for people to expect the President of the U.S.A. to think and act more diplomatically than a third world dictator such as Kim Jong-un? How in the world can you possibly justify that thinking? I am absolutely baffled as to why you don't expect our leadership to be more competent and knowledgeable than North Korea's leadership. o_O
     
  7. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Aye, a week or so ago I had lunch with my old high school buddy, and we were both were bemoaning the utter lack of decorum Trump has! :(:(:(

    (And, ya, like you said, exploding something underground is not the same as putting it on a missile. But it's is a prerequisite for a missile.)
     
  8. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award



    This is a fun watch!
     
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  9. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    They don't have to launch it very far to kill a lot of people. Do they have the amount of technology to hit New York City? I doubt it. Seoul? Tokyo? Yeah, I could see that.
     
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  10. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Oh, I do. I'll join you in criticizing Trump for wanting to nuke NK if in the same paragraph you'll criticize Jong-un for wanting to nuke all of his enemies, which happens to include the USA. See, I expect people to be upset with the other guy when he does the same thing. What's "wrong" for Trump has to be "wrong" for the other guy, too, whoever he is.

    And really, if we're talking about NK building a weapon (not anyone else, just NK) and the UN as a unit wants it to stop, and several key countries individually, such as China even, want it to stop, but NK insists on continuing -- then NK deserves a lot of blame.
     
  11. Whit

    Whit Valued Member

    Did i miss the part where north korea has been building a nuclear warhead despite being told to stop?
     
  12. Whit

    Whit Valued Member

    Another issue is the mountain that they are using to do the testing is suitable for nuclear tests and they are using horizontal bore shafts, which is further putting the risk of collapsing the mountain in on itself.
     
  13. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    After Libya, Iraq, and Iran that seems like a rational course of action on their part. :[
     
  14. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned


    CAPABILITY and AMOUNT. Thank you very much, never said he never had nukes. Just so im not put in with them. :p

    If North Kroea dies as a result of nuking what ever (even though there are anti balsicitc missile systems in the south Korea area), there would be no arms race for Japan if its hit past to lift some of its ungodly red tape on the military and South Korea doesnt have that anyway and is ina arms race with the North all ready. Korea itself has the ability to be wiped out in a conventional war, war is needed sometimes.


    Im going with no matter the result it will become yesterdays news and fast. Unless New york is hit by a nuke transported via a balloon. XP

    (and it will all be trumps fault because he is in fact the anti christ )
     
  15. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    Two posters above my post questioned whether DPRK had viable nukes. It's not all about you...

    A group of dudes flying a series of planes into buildings has dominated the US's international and domestic policy for the past 16 years or so. If you think we as a nation would just say "Hey, at least we're getting humanitarian aid!" or "Well, it happened in Japan, no way could it happen here!" you're dreaming.
     
  16. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    I find that silly and some of the policies taken are stupid. To second part, no. I wouldnt expect Japan to go and make nukes in response however. (not that it could)
     
  17. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Since japan has a very long experience with nuclear power, there are no immediate technological reasons why it cant, hell if Iran can, japan can definitely can, and thus a new arms race has begun.
     
  18. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    It would have political reasons as to why it cannot make nukes. It doesn't have anyone to have a arms race in that area with and it would be culled before it took off. China would have to fight the U.S if it attacked Japan and they could conventionally ballistic missile the hell out of Japan as Japan could if it had a large stockpile of them.

    Plus the U.S also has some of the best tech for shooting nukes down to begin with and has the economic base to use them. :p
     
  19. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    And yet that's what happened, whether you find it silly or not. To think that a nuclear strike on US soil wouldn't dramatically shape our country's direction is, well, it ain't realistic. Whether Japan would make nukes or not is immaterial; the event would have significant ramifications in international relations for years to come.

    These sorts of beliefs are dangerous.

    From Joe Cirincione: Welcome - Defense One

    These don't sound like good odds.
     
  20. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Politics change all the time, especially. When you have trump telling the UN it's every country for itself, and telling NATO it can no longer automatically rely on America to fight there battles.

    Trump is literally destabilising the world in exchange for boosting his own self esteem.

    Dotard is quite an apt word-

    dotard
    ˈdəʊtəd/
    noun
    1. an old person, especially one who has become weak or senile.
     
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