Trump by name......

And had only seen the film not the series of dukes of hazard?

 

If he doesn't need the racist vote, why has he repeatedly shown himself to be reticent about denouncing white nationalism? Why is his top advisor a white nationalist?

As for Godwin's Law, it only states that the longer an online debate goes on, the closer the probability of Hitler being mentioned comes to 1. I didn't mention Hitler, and how am I supposed to talk about actual nazis without mentioning nazis?

The more I look into it, the more there seems to be a direct connection to the growth of white nationalism from Ruby Ridge to the election of Trump. He has hitched his wagon to the racist far right of America, and now you are reaping the consequences.

 

That's ridiculous.

It's like someone saying that the Nazi flag has nothing to do with genocide and everything to do with awesome times playing Battlefield 1942 multiplayer.

 

First off, before it sound like it, with the next thing I'm not(!) saying that a aikiMac is racist!
My point is supposed to be more general!

But since I refer to his statement, that the voting Nazis aren't that important, I sort of have to mention him, because... well, it's a quote from him.

I always get goosebumps when I hear statements like it.
It's not that back in the day, the Germans voted Hitler, with the main thought of "let's start a genocide".

He got voted, because some people agreed with all of his points, and because lots of them never thought what happened could happen.
The rest is history.

So saying today: Well, Nazis like to vote him, but that's not a problem (I know he didn't say it like that, therefore I want to mention again, that I mean this as a pro general statement) and doesn't mean anything seems dangerous to me.
It was back then, became a catastrophe and it might happen just like this again; today people even have ideas of what "Nazis" do and think - today's neo Nazis *know* what they stand behind and what has happened.

Now Trump openly is against blacks, women rights and whatnot; he threatens with war in a worse way with throwing sand at each others, but he is actually more likely to do this.
And that on a scale, that sooner or later the *whole world* is in war, not only the US (being evil, one could say it at least be there own fault for voting for him, but that's short thinking for me; like all Germans have been Nazis).


So... sorry, for the rant.

@aaradia: My thoughts exactly when I read it.
I know for sure, I wouldn't know how I would feel if my ancestors were slaves and the symbol of that hated would be praised.

It's like when people "know" about depression, whooping cough or other sicknesses by reading about it, and therefore tell you or anyone who actuallt had it, how you have to feel about it.

 

I think it's a mistake to designate the neonazis and white supremacists as somehow aberrant from the mainstream Republican party when Trump has deliberately empowered those same people and advanced their legislative goals. Trump had stronger words to say about Nordstrom, Rosie O'Donnell, NYtimes, and Meryl Streep than he did white supremacists. "But Hilary..." can only take you so far - at this point it's up to every American to hold the POTUS accountable to the standard that we did or did not, rightly or wrongly, believe he should and would rise to.

 

I think, that goes for every decent being.

I mran, I get that non-Americans have to do it in sort of another way as Americans right now should, but all in all it goes for people everywhere.
The right wings in Europe are getting stronger as well, which I really find scary.

When Trump actually got elected, I couldn't believe that a country would vote for someone like him, who ins openly full of have for nearly everything that's not white and male.
Scary.
Just scary.

 

It's always the same rhetoric from either side, the pendulum of influence swinging based on current events deciding which one has the microphone to denounce the other. Every time a new story pops up, it seems the pendulum swings further and further in the extremes on current events. The only recent thing that has changed is a tangible situation in which the common use of hyperbole to describe the other side actually fits the event that happened.

A month or so ago you had socialist extremists patrolling a campus with baseball bats and running people off campus. This week you have fascists running people over in vehicles defending a fecal stain on our history. Dare dissent from the beliefs of one side even slightly and you're evil incarnate, aligned with and representing the other side to the fullest.

We've been through it before, we're still a young country. I think at this point I'm just watching to see how far it will escalate.

 

I agree that we can't blame individual people for the events of the past. However I only believe that on an individual basis. As a country I do think we can and should be held accountable. We really should be getting together with leaders of populations we've oppressed and figure out a way to make reparations. It'll never fully amend what we've done as a nation, but for the sake of moving on there really needs to be some kind of agreement and actions taken. I don't think affirmative action was the best way of trying to go about doing this.

The argument over the flag is ridiculous. Ignorance is not an excuse for adults.

 

That what I was saying in my other post, " Dare dissent from the beliefs of one side even slightly and you're evil incarnate, aligned with and representing the other side to the fullest. " Kind of a weird way to express that using Dukes of Hazard 0_0

 

What common property of trump is there, that both Nazis and non Nazis would vote for him?

If you plot IQ over a graph with a normal distribution curve, it's easy to see the bottom half would be more taken in by his empty shallow promises, and the rest are maybe people who only vote tribally as well as those who don't care about others and/or worship authority.

Which added together make slightly less then half of the voters last year.

 

Drunken American beaten up for giving Nazi salute in Germany

In further news this is how the rest of the world treats Nazis.

 

You're right about the pendulum swinging to ever further extremes, but it is Trump's reticence to distance himself from Nazis, the Klan and other white nationalist groups that is worrying. It's not because a Nazi says "Heil Trump!" that I'm saying Trump is courting racists, it's because Trump doesn't seem to want to alienate these people or put ideological distance between them and himself. That is worrying.