Tournament travesty

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Late for dinner, Jun 2, 2017.

  1. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    A recent tournament produced a bit of controversy. The following fight resulted in one fighter being disqualified for ?excessive? contact.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4TET2vl-0U

    Now I can see that the fight appearred to be one sided and overall it appearred to be pretty badly organised (poor floor markings, people look unclear re the equipment regulations, judges look uncertain about the rules).

    I didn't think it looked like the fighter who was disqualified had done that much wrong to deserve the disqualification. Anyone else seen this fight and also wondered what in the world was happening? If you hadn't seen it already what do you think of how things were organised and the result?

    Thanks, LFD
     
  2. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Semi-contact is a ridiculous notion for adults to partake in. Fight full contact with as much protection as you want.
     
  3. kandi

    kandi Valued Member

    You can hear someone say "light contact". If it's the kind of ridiculous light contact competition I've seen, they really do mean something more like "touch the gi but not the body".

    That's fun for some people, not for others. Not for me. I participate in sparring to get better at the art, but light contact points sparring drives me bananas.

    To answer the question, yes I think he hit too hard to be light contact.
     
  4. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    I can see what you are saying but if it is light contact then why are they wearing head gear and gloves? This suggests a heavier level of light contact than was observed.

    :' D

    LFD
     
  5. kandi

    kandi Valued Member

    The "light contact" tournaments I've seen also have a ridiculous amount of padding / protection.

    Hate to say it, but it's McDojo olympics. If you want to play you gotta play by their rules. When in Rome...

    I feel the frustration though. I probably wouldn't return if this is what I saw :woo:
     
  6. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    There are specific rules and sometimes it's not the contact level it's the control level

    Watch old school Alfie Lewis fights for example - anyone thinking point fighting is soft or easy would think again competing against him
     
  7. El Medico

    El Medico Valued Member

    In the 70s semi-contact tourneys meant you could bang a bit,just not KO or break things. This looked like it was supposed to be more like a typical "tag" point match.

    LFD-I think by the mid 80s gloves were mandatory in most "tag" point tourneys.
     
  8. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    I don't like light contact and semi-contact competitions much personally, but if you agree to the tournament you agree to the rules. He does seem to be going too hard for what I would call light contact, he'd get DQ'd for doing that at a low contact level in the interclubs I've been to so seems fine a actual light contact tournament would do so too. It speaks more to me of either his control of lack of reading of the rules than it does to me about the tournament itself
     
  9. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    I don't see anything wrong with semi-contact as long as everyone knows what they are doing and are under no illusions. As El Medico says, it tends to mean you can bang a bit but not KO. It's a great ruleset to compete under regularly and go to work on Monday, and it brings its own unique challenges. Anyone who thinks it's easy has never done it.

    The issue in this vid seems to be that nobody has a clue what the rules are.

    If I'm a ref and I see one guy walk out in body armour and the other not, the alarm bells are ringing. Surely equipment is specified in the comp rules anyway?

    As a ref I wouldn't even have started that bout until everyone was clear.

    Would Mr hard done by have continued and been so happy without his body armour? His game plan seemed to be to leave his head open and swing for the body with all he had and technique be damned.

    Personally, I wouldn't be putting a student into a competition unless the rules were clear and followed. Their safety is my main concern. These mismatched expectations just shouldn't happen.

    Mitch
     
  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Bingo

    Double Bingo

    This is what I alluded to above with "control" vs "contact" - if you aren't hitting hard but lack control you will still face the risk of DQ...I get a bit of a sense that was what happened in the OP

    With regards to lots of control but still contact I offer exhibit A -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEQS3ktW_WM
     
  11. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    Firstly. Shouldn't there have been a "rules" briefing before hand? To clear up the 'do and donts' ?
    Then the organisation can confirm what kind of impact they are looking for.

    Also dont know whats worse. The windmilling, or the lack of defence from said windmilling. Or the terrible rap.
     
  12. kandi

    kandi Valued Member

    Points sparring is not easy because you need a lot of skill to be good at it. But, it's a different skill set to full contact sparring - being good at points doesn't make you good at sparring, and vice versa.

    Just to be clear, I'm not having a go at you - I think people should do whatever form of MA competition they like. Most of us are just hobbyists having fun. We're not playing for sheep stations. If it's fun for you then knock yourself out (pardon the pun).

    As for his technique, I just wanted to slap him ever so gently on the cheek to let him know he had no guard :whistle:
     
  13. Morik

    Morik Well-Known Member Supporter MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Hah, that reminds me of when I tried Aikido for a few months. There was this one guy who would always gently slap my cheek, because I always dropped my guard.
    This was before I did any striking training--now I only drop my guard half of the time, instead of all the time.
     
  14. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    Looked like a Friday night chip shop slap fest. :fight2:
     
  15. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    The Intro rap was horrendous, he deserves the DQ just for that!
     
  16. Mushroom

    Mushroom De-powered to come back better than before.

    Its so bad
     

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