STRIKING THREAD PART 2: Tips for avoiding permaneant brain damage?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Vinny Lugo, Oct 24, 2016.

  1. Vinny Lugo

    Vinny Lugo Valued Member

    This is why (one day when I am ready) I would really like to engage in hard sparring. Even in light sparring the intensity is turned up quite loud and some of the shots you take hurt so you do your best to stick to your guns and not go back to haymakers and windmill punches. But during sparring is basically when it is a true fight. So I need hard sparring eventually to keep me from going and throwing sloppy punches and kicks and to abandon my training when things get real
     
  2. Vinny Lugo

    Vinny Lugo Valued Member

    Yes. This is about how hard we usually go. Now as a reference someone please post a video of a hard sparring session so I can see what it looks like in comparison to an actual fight.
     
  3. Vinny Lugo

    Vinny Lugo Valued Member

    So really unless I go pro, I have as much chance of permaneant injury as I do of getting into a serious car accident and being permaneantly injured while driving?
     
  4. Ero-Sennin

    Ero-Sennin Well-Known Member Supporter

    Pretty much. But to put that into perspective, like in a car there are certain situations you can place yourself in to make serious injury more likely. Driving fast in the rain, driving drunk, or texting while driving all increase the risk of a car accident significantly. Sparring all out constantly, not tapping, or biting off more than you can chew against a training partner (going harder than what you can take when reciprocated) all increase your chances of getting hurt bad whilst training as well.

    Common Sense is a super power.
     
  5. Vinny Lugo

    Vinny Lugo Valued Member

    Ok that makes a lot of sense
     
  6. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    The stats are new and people have only just started doing these studies but

    And whilst allot of studies put MMA as have more injuries than MMA that’s all injuries MMA seems to be safer,

    A few studies have come out the other way but they tend to go off number of fights ended in TKO or KO not the medical analysis and in MMA a ref can stop a fight if you are not defending yourself even if you are coherent, in boxing you get the three knock down rule and the standing 8 count which I suspect leads to more occasion of head trauma in a fight
     
  7. Matt F

    Matt F Valued Member

    [ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ncbYxf2mO0c[/ame]

    Part of a documentary on Edwin Valero and how things can be in Pro gyms.


    [ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDbHL040zy0[/ame]

    What it's like sparring Tyson back in the day. From all accounts he was notorious for knocking guys down/out and going hard in sparring.

    Some class light sparring...

    [ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=stf7FuNoZXY[/ame]

    No pads are even needed if there's trust and both are trying to learn and not win

    [ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHrQF4M8jJA[/ame]
     
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2016
  8. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    It also stands to reason that because the rules of MMA also allow submissions, you are not going to get that same constant barrage of blows to the head.
     
  9. Vinny Lugo

    Vinny Lugo Valued Member

    Interesting study. Thanks for posting
     
  10. Vinny Lugo

    Vinny Lugo Valued Member

    Wow! Tyson went nuts!
     
  11. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Cool video, but like it says, that's more of a fighting partner than a sparring partner.
     
  12. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    And also...that was Tyson at his prime. World champion. A beast. The 1% of the 1%. Millions of dollars on the line if he lost. Able to pay people to take the punishment he wanted to dish out. In a camp solely geared around getting HIM ready.

    Not a hobby or semi-serious martial artist out to test themselves and have productive training with their club-mates, where everyone is trying to improve, no money is wagered and no future secured (if you can say that in boxing) by that money.

    If you're training like prime Tyson, but not getting what prime Tyson got as a result, then I think you need to maybe rethink your risk/reward outlook.

    And also...I think not only do you need to moderate contact levels in day to day training (going light most days and then heavier as needed) but also in targets selected. Gong harder to the body and legs than the head for example.
     
  13. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Well said :)

    Also, in building control so that you can select the appropriate force level for your selected target. Accidents will happen, but they can happen with very light contact too.
     
  14. Vinny Lugo

    Vinny Lugo Valued Member

    So that is not what hard sparring looks like then?
     
  15. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Personally, and it will be interesting to see if others disagree, I'd say that is the very upper end of it where it turns into fighting.

    Hard sparring can also be close to full speed, but with a bit of the vigour taken out of the power. So you're looking to rock people rather than fully trying to KO them.
     
  16. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    And also...

    Boxing (especially professional boxing) is often trained via "camps". Specific training periods geared around a specific bout and opponent. Therefore intensity and contact levels vary across the year (as many have been saying is the way to go).
    In Tyson's first two years as a professional he did 15 and 13 bouts respectively. One or two a month perhaps. Rest periods after the match and then back training for the next one in a few of week. A high intensity process.

    Once he hit the big leagues he went down to 2-3 fights per year.
    Doing something like 8-12 week camps, varying intensity across the year from what we see in the linked video right down to not training at all (I bet he rested after each bout and barely trained at all for weeks at a time).

    I don't think the hobby martial artist should draw training protocols from either an up and coming phenom like a young Mike T or the world champion he became.

    If you have a goal of being a Mike Tyson (like Chadderz) then your mileage on that will vary.
     
  17. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    Any of another source for the video as well?
    Due to GEMA I'm not allowed to watch it :mad:
    Otherwise I'd need to try with a proxy or stealthy-add-on, which nearly drove me crazy the last time :D
     
  18. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    True, the guys were paid to take the beating they took, and as you say its boxing, professional boxing, world class professional boxing using that as an example of anything anyone here would recognize or hope to duplicate is silly.
     
  19. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Damn straight I want to be Mike Tyson.
     
  20. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Minus the...erm...ear biting and run-ins with the law though right?
     

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