Spirit of Pangration

Discussion in 'Western Martial Arts' started by IMAS, Jul 19, 2013.

  1. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    Should the spirit of modern Pangration be a stepping stone for professional MMA or just trying to be another Olympic sport bringing people together in peace and friendship to play sport? There is no way to simulate real fighting in a martial related sport with the safety issue as its priority. However, Pangration is the closest to reality and is open to all kinds of martial techniques.

    IMAS: The link provided comes very close to advertising and really has no relevance to the question being asked
     
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  2. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    How is it closer to reality than MMA?

    Mitch
     
  3. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    Fewer tattoos. Nobody in reality has that many tattoos.
     
  4. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Or how is it closer than the Dog Brothers?

    Shameless plug is shameless
     
  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    They aren't as good therefore it represents a "man in the street" more accurately
     
  6. gapjumper

    gapjumper Intentionally left blank

    Wasn't some disgruntled ex-Bujinkan guy resurrecting this many moons ago???
     
  7. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    When you said MMA did you mean cage fighting? Pangration does not compete in a cage, and the rules are developed to meet the requirements of the Olympic committees.
     
  8. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    So probably less "real" than MMA.
     
  9. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    Is cage fighting less "real" to fighting?
     
  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Yes, although it is about as close as you can get in a competitive setting

    I think you will find that people are taking issue with the following statement

    Which is clearly not true when it isn't even as "real" as MMA

    I love the Dog Brothers, but even they make concessions and they are about as brutal as it gets

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Zuj5jdY-k"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Zuj5jdY-k[/ame]

    As an olympic sport I think "Pangration" is an easier sell than "MMA", but don't pretend it is anything it isn't. From what I see it is a multi-skilled competitive format - that should be enough.

    Don't over-egg your pudding
     
  11. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    The lesson in history is that the sport of Pangration gave way to Gladiator games. The question is whether it can be a stepping stone to profession MMA or maybe there are some other meanings for participants?
     
  12. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    How did pankration give way to gladiatorial games? They're two different civilizations. Am I misunderstanding something?
     
  13. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    brutal. how do they even walk away from that stuff?
     
  14. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I've not personally done a gathering, but have fought in this format. It's intense but you can quit at any time. It's amazing what this body will absorb

    I believe Freeform is our only resident Dog Brother - he will offer far more insight than I can
     
  15. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    i'm trying to deal with the fear that i have of competing in a bjj tournament--in a month! guys with sticks and skull paintings on their headgear...scary!

    yet, i'm eerily drawn to wanting to do it.
     
  16. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    It's on my to do list! :D

    I've set it as one of my goals for my rehab.

    Get my fitness back, get well and then get the hell smacked out of me. :D
     
  17. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    Greece was part of the Roman Empire.
     
  18. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    Okay, but when you say that pangration gave way to gladiatorial games, that suggests to me that the competitors, audience, sponsors, etc. of one switched over to the other. Where the spirit of the two is totally different. One is clearly sport. The other was an elaborate execution.
     
  19. IMAS

    IMAS Banned Banned

    I think history suggested that there was a switch. This is why it is important to differentiate the spirit of pangration from the entertainment industry.
     
  20. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Pangration/Pankration WAS part of the entertainment industry.
    People were entertained by watching people compete in it.
    Like any sport.
     

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