Soon to be taking Ki Aikido and have a few questions...

Discussion in 'Aikido' started by Anarch, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    You may not want to kill a tiger but that tiger wants to eat you alive. Many years ago, an Aikido friend of mine competed in a local Karate tournament. He was kicked out of his Aikido association after that.
     
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  2. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Only if you count Judo and Boxing when I was like 7 or 8. Or perhaps the fights I got into in the playground and one night at a kickboxing class.

    All of them. If you practice martial arts and still feel the need to get your philosophy from a book you're doing something wrong. In particular though. This whole concept of non-violence that has crept into Aikido. It's nonsense.
     
  3. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    :cool::happy:
     
  4. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Why?
     
  5. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    He told me that his association didn't not allow any members to compete in tournaments. It was my fault. He and another guy came to visit me. I told them that there was a local Karate tournament and let's all go to have some fun.
     
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  6. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    But why can't they?

    Also, did he know his association did not warrant this?

    Also, what is it to be said of a martial art organization that kicks out its members for a nonsense ruling?
     
  7. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    He didn't know that. Today I still don't understand why his association discourage tournament competation. It must be the Ki (harmony) thing. He had 3rd degree black belt in Aikido at that time (not a beginner).
     
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  8. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    Old Chinese saying said, "If you don't want to get hit, start to hit your opponent. The best enemy that you can have is an enemy who lays down quitely under your knee".
     
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  9. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    I think that they put their art too high upon a pedastal and if he had gotten defeated, he or others, would start bad-mouthing the art.
     
  10. Cail

    Cail Valued Member

    I've not trained in aikido, and i don't really know anything about it first-hand, but there's a guy i train with in grappling, who did aikido for several years before. He says that the only thing he learned there that would be useful in a real fight (or some no holds barred match) are the wrist-locks and other small joint manipulation techniques. These are not taught in wrestling or jiu-jitsu on one hand, and actually useless to aikido guys because they just can't grapple in general on the other. But a person who can both grapple and knows these locks can use them in some situations.
     
  11. Chris Li

    Chris Li Valued Member

    Kisshomaru, OTOH, stated quite clearly that his father was not a pacifist - and neither was he.

    Part of it is the translations of "Aikido" as "art of peace" or "way of harmony", which aren't quite incorrect, but are rather misleading. I wrote a little bit about that in this blog post.

    Best,

    Chris
    Aikido Sangenkai
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I like the tiger saying better than my version so I am blatantly stealing it - just fyi ;)
     
  13. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Honestly, from my observations/exposure to defense/brawl/th3 street, wrist locks are hardly ever used.

    Except occasional by LEOs trying to put cuffs on

    I have been to many "defense sminars" where they have people grabbing another's wrist.

    Serious, I never seen a attack/attacker grab someone's wrist, situations per defense/brawl/th3 street actually do this
     
  14. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Yes I've said similar things on this forum. The Japanese for harmony as in peace and fuzzy hugs if memory serves me correctly is "wa" and not "ai". Which is why I feel attempting to translate ai and ki separately is just wrong. The principal as I understand it is "aiki". Which is how it should be taught and translated.
     
  15. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Interesting.^^


    I also thought Aikido had been influenced by Omoto
     
  16. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Perhaps. However the principle of aiki is not unique to Aikido.
     
  17. OwlMAtt

    OwlMAtt Armed and Scrupulous

    Totally disagree with this. A martial arts class is not a philosophy class.
     
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  18. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    You're right it's not. Which is why you shouldn't be reading martial arts books to teach yourself a philosophy and then trying to apply that to your study of martial arts.
     
  19. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Agreed.

    Like Judo, Aikido tried to place a emphasis of less harm upon the opponent

    Like Judo, both had Aiki lineage

    But, Judo was thought more of a sport, whereas Aikido, having quasi-religious foundation, was thought more of spiritual

    There were many descrepancies of Aikido (per the demonstrations of Ki for example, "The UnBendable Arm"), whereas Judo did not try and/or "completely" focus on this
     
  20. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    And it is certainly not a knitting class;

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