Some questions about striking

Why are we even engaging with this guy. Go to class pal.

 

Hands and shins are conditioned pushing and kicking pads. Don't push walls and the rice thing is for injured muscles. You use that if you have damaged ligaments in your hand. It does not toughen hands at all.

 

If you can't afford classes then improve you fitness

 

I'd like to echo the initial replies as they match what I thought as soon as I read the first post, and has has been repeated to you several times Rataca.

Focus on what you've been learning in class. The more you do that, the quicker you'll be ready to move on to other things. Put forth the effort to show up to every lesson. If you are only showing up a couple times a month, you're not going to get anywhere.

And don't punch walls...

 

As Confucius used to say....."You can bring a horse to water but you can't make someone go training in they can't be arsed"....something like that anyway.
Had a way with words Confucius.

 

Re. hand conditioning in a rice bucket: that is to build forearm & grip strength. Baseball pitchers do that. My wife did it for a time when she was working on improving her kettlebell work.

I doubt it would do anything in terms of making your hand more resilient against the forces you put them through when punching.

 

Sounds like a right loon, i bet he had/has a wacky beard!

@SCA Yeah got it now, conceding most of what i put on the previous pages.

 

The vertical surface is the striking surface of the bag, so your saying
"I can hit the bag, but not safely"

Which just means you can't hit the bag.

 

There are several open hand strikes that I practice on my bag, that feel fine for me (once I fixed a few things, most notably keeping my shoulder packed; I do this instinctively when punching, but for some reason don't do it when striking with open hands). I drill these on my bag to get a bit of muscle memory in them; if I need to strike someone outside of a sport context, I'd like to have options that are less likely to break/injure my hands.

In case it makes a difference, my heavy bag is pretty heavy (70kg) and is stuffed with fabric, not sand (a bit squishier than sand). It is a 6' tall cylinder (Thai style bag).

1. Slapping motion, most of my palm contacts the bag. Very important to keep shoulder packed (at least for me): failing to do so gets my shoulder tweaked/injured pretty quick.

2. Palm strike similar to a jab/cross, striking with the heel of the hand. I don't seem to have any issues striking the vertical surface of my heavy bag. No wrist pain/issues. I did learn this strike specifically at Japanese Jiu Jitsu and have drilled it with instructor supervision into pads/etc back when I took JJJ. Shoulder packing important here too.

3. Chops/reverse chops. No issues with shoulder or wrists/hands with these. I learned & drilled this strike with supervision at JJJ.

4. Hammerfist type strikes (no issues with wrists/shoulders), if you count those as open hand. Learned & drilled these in JJJ.

5. Hitting with top of thumb & inner edge of palm, kind of like a hammerfist using the top instead of bottom. Most of the impact is taken on the inner edge of the palm. Requires careful placement of the thumb. This is generally swung for lower hits (e.g., groin). Learned & drilled it at JJJ.

None of those have ever caused me pain during or after drilling them, aside from shoulder issues which I fixed by focusing on packing my shoulder.
I think if I hadn't had the instructor show me the specifics on what surface to hit with, how to position fingers/hand/etc, that I wouldn't be doing these properly.

Those are the only hand strikes I practice on my bag without wraps/gloves on. I wouldn't recommend trying any of them without learning the proper technique though.
The slapping one is the only one I didn't learn in JJJ.

 

Rataca100 If you put half the energy you invest into this forum into your training you would notice a massive difference.

Pretty In Pink hit the nail on the head on this one. Don't make excuses not to train just train as much as you can, If you don't have a passion for it you will never succeed. I am glad that I did when I started my journey as commitments outside of training do eventually hinder how much we can train in a formal gym, Due to work and a young family I can only make 2-3 sessions as week as apposed to 5 which I used to do every week but that has given me the foundation to train outside of class as well.

Practice what you have been taught rather than self learning as you will only develop bad habits that are hard to break if you decide to take your training more seriously....

Only thing I am willing to say on the open strike issue is that you are most likely over extending your wrist when striking hence why you are getting injured, Your instructors (not just the one you are comfortable with) will most likely gladly correct this but try for form rather than power and build it up.

Stop wasting time on here asking questions and go train!

 

If you're serious about your training, you don't have to be told to practice at home.

"Amateurs go to to school to practice, and go home to rest.
Martial Artists go to school to learn, and go home to practice."

 

Everyone running, no matter how slow/fast, or how far they go, are lapping the person sat on the sofa.

I doubt it will dent the surface of the OP's state of mind, but hopefully anyone reading this thread that may think on a similar manner will consume that and act on it.

 

Learn to wrap your hands, and listen to the advice from the people that know better. I was young, stupid, and spent hours hitting bags of sand with bare knuckles, because I'd read somewhere it would 'harden my hands'. I'm now 21 years old, I wake up in the morning, my hands ache. I deadlift and my hands ache. I drive and my hands ache. I wake up and it's cold, I can't open my hands properly for about 10 minutes. Learning to wrap your hands is not massively difficult, putting on gloves and wraps will take less than 5 minutes, and will save you lots of pain.

 

Well no one has seen you actually doing something and yet you ask for tips.
Why would you do that, if you only maybe, if you feel like it, take suggestions from people who've seen you "train"?

And you make it partly our problem as well, as you are asking us to waste time on you.
It's utterly disrespectful to ask something, than don't take anything out of it, because you don't like the idea of something you don't know anything about.

Kind of easy to learn it, if you would bother and not only wait for others to do it for you.

I don't.
My teachers don't.
Most of the people I regularly train with don't.
Because it's just worthless.
Would good does it do to moan about things a) you should learn, b) get taught, c) you could actually do something about, if you would care enough, ...?

And you know, that's a correct way/ technique, because...?

Some do, btw.
But why would a video be better help?

Oh, coaches spent time and effort on new people - if they show to be actually interested.
Personally I'm the perfect example: My teacher spent from the beginning time, explaining lots of thinks and answering questions.
But I also showed them, that I am interested, by being there every time, proper training, listening to what they tell me do, ... You know, all the stuff people do, if they actually want to learn something.

I needed to read that part several times due to typos, but think I finally have it.

Interesting logic again: You don't understand something of the technical side, and because you don't understand it, it must be wrong and you ignore what you were told.
That is one of the point I meant above: Showing the instructor, that you actually want to be there and learn something.
Not knowing it better, by knowing nothing.

I didn't imply that you could not learn anything by text - as long as you know some basics of it.
But asking someone who actually can show you might be an idea.
There are people out there for it believe... What were they called again... instructors maybe?


Regarding the exercises: Just do them.
You don't listen anyway, so just try it.
Punch a wall!

Someone sees the problem?

 

Mate you said you wanted to post a video - go ahead and post it.

 

No i didnt. I made no definitive statment on posting a video to this website.

 

That is assuming i was telling the truth. I made the statement that for all intents and purposes i could be going every week but not telling you etc, you don't know. If you dont take my word when i say i go, why should you when i say i stay?


Also, you made the assumption i go once every 3 weeks, so you dont take my word for going in the inbetween. So why do you belive i go once every 3 weeks? Why dont you belive i went once a week? Why do you believe i go at all?


Thats fine i dont mind if anyone responds or not. I cant force a response nor do i try to.

 

I personally don't care, but I think you should just stop giving others crappy advice or weighing in with nonsense