Solo Exercises for Aikido

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  1. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    One of my fellow mods commented recently she thinks the posters in her forum are know her schedule and wait until she goes to work before running amok and behaving like delinquent children. I know the feeling.

    1. Stay on topic.

    2. Stop bickering about who's budo is the greatest or who knows best.

    3. It's fine to challenge and discuss information or points of view. It's not ok to misquote someone because you feel a link they posted was done in a "condescending" manner.

    4. Grow up!
     
  2. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    3. Fair one.
    4. Fair two.
     
  3. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    how not to make friends and influence people

    I did PM you for your background, and today you straight-up refused to answer. Don't make false promises. It's not good.

    You can't say that you've studied aikido for 19 years without stating the names of your teachers and your schools. That doesn't fly.
     
  4. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    No, it doesn't fly.
     
  5. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    So: anonymity + advice = penguin?
     
  6. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Whilst looking through some old photos I found one of some of my students practising a kata created by Chiba Kazuo Shihan.

    The purpose of this exercise is to develop the specific tai sabaki utilised in aikido technique.

    The bokuto is merely a tool and is not the focus of the movements, it essentially replaces uke.

    The only video I could find of the exercise is this:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ALo9nKAJY"]YouTube - Chiba Sensei's 8 count Bokken Kata plus 1[/ame]
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2011
  7. izumizu

    izumizu Banned Banned

    Nice video, Dave. Though I know you mention that the bokken is not part of the drill, aptly named "Bokken Kata" I notice that I also use the bokken at times in a similar manner, that is with the tip of the bokken falling below the level of the wrist (numerous times in this video).

    I seem to recall your emphasis that this was a bad habbit to develop, and I don't mean to hold myself up to Chiba sensei because his skill is far beyond mine, but if we share some of the same bad habits, I can live wth that.

    I will say that I will be practcing this form, which is new to me, along with what you described as being bad habits to my solo workout material and in addition to the other happo giri in which I do not bring the tip of my bokken down below my right wrist.
     
  8. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Despite quoting what I posted you apparently didn't read or understand it.

    I said the bokken wasn't the FOCUS of what was being studied. This is entirely different to the spin you attached, which was a poor attempt at sarcasm.

    Good luck with your training
     
  9. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    So I got what you was on about Dave and I'm no Aikidoka.

    Do why is it Izumizu can't seem to grasp it?

    Hmm on one hand one drill is using the bokuto as tool to develop other skills, it does not pertain to swordsmanship etc.

    Good old izumizu however had a drill which had the purpose of developing accuracy with the weapon. With the weapon being used as a weapon....well supposedly unfortunately inzumizu's ignorance and lack of experience sort of stuffed the whole thing up.

    Now you deliver a critique on his drill and how it would apply to the use of the sword.

    He is now trying to put up a strawman to argue for the validity of his drill.

    That about right?

    He's trying to equivocate the use of the bokuto in the drill you showed with his drill?

    Which those of us who read the previous thread will see is wrong.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2011
  10. izumizu

    izumizu Banned Banned

    Thanks, Dave, but there was no sarcasm intended. I fully understood your post and the manner in which the video was titled, and can understand both the approach to the title, and how the focus of this bokken kata is not the bokken.

    Still, the bokken is held in Chiba senseis hands. Still numerous times it falls below the level of the right wrist, in the same fashion at times as when I do suburi. Bad habits form from repeated practice in a manner that allows bad habbits to form.

    Additionally, when I do suburi, the bokken is not the focus either.
     
  11. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Who do you think is in the video I posted, Chiba Sensei?
     
  12. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Dean,

    In my opinion, he's posting to elicit a negative responce, notice the difference in what's been posted between his two replies?

    Notice he refers to Chiba Sensei as if he's in the video, and very clearly he isn't.

    It's all a stupid agenda driven ploy.
     
  13. izumizu

    izumizu Banned Banned

    You mean the person in the video isn't Japanese? He doesn't talk English with a heavy Japanese accent? Amazing.

    So this is the best video you can come up with? One which shows pour sword skills even though that isn't the scope of this exercise?

    I guess I am a little more than confused. Let me see if I get this right: when working with a sword in the form of developing swordsmanship it is not okay to do movements in which the tip of the sword dips below the right wrist, but when working with a sword not in terms of swordmanship it is okay to practice in a fashion that also mimics this tip of the sword dipping below the right wrist. (and still performing cuts in this bokken kata, or simulating a motion of the arms as if cutting in this chibba sensei derived bokken kata, in which I am almost certain that Chiba sensei also must be holding a bokken when he does it as well, lest he might have called it tanto kata or Jo kata, or empty handed kata)...

    Please don't feel you need to explain on my behalf, but please do explain for others that may be following this thread both members and non mbers who may wish to try this material in their own solo training away from the dojo and their instructors.
     
  14. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    I should've unsubscribed 15 pages ago. Doing it now.

    I'll leave you fine folks to try and work out the insanity and cluelessness of this obvious attention troll.
     
  15. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Sorry but your attempts to seek attention, derail and cause disruption are well known.

    You simply cannot be taken seriously, either as a member here or as an aikidoka. Like I've stated before, you're displaying all the same behaviours and traits shown before your temp ban. Clearly you haven't learned from that experience.
    I'm calling it as I see it and, as I see it, I'm not the only one who thinks you're a troll.
     
  16. izumizu

    izumizu Banned Banned

    since you have not answered my question I will assume then that you are not able to explain the differences then that I have asked about on behalf of those that might wish to add these solo exercises to their training.
     
  17. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    The reason for a lack of explanation is contained in the quotation.
     
  18. izumizu

    izumizu Banned Banned

    So then it really doesn't matter then in what fashion one holds a weapon, in what fashion one maneuvers a weapon, or even if bad habits are observed?
    So long as it is not actually related to actual sword work with a weapon on a kata entitled bokken kata.

    Can you please elaborate on those differences in consideration of all of your years of sword work?

    Does one even need a bokken for this exercise? For instance is this some variation of a type of happo undo or mix of a zengo undo, and could one do it equally with a Jo, or perhaps a lucky rabbits foot in their hand?

    Of course I suppose if that were the case, one might choose not to call it "bokken kata" any longer.

    The only reason I ask these additional questions is for further clarification and
    I think your lack of explination based on these simple diferences is quite incredible at this point.

    Could you please elaborate a bit further on these questions?

    Also, did Chiba sensei teach this particular bokken kata to you, or perhaps one of his students taught it to you? And if so was it also taught in this fashion in which it is okay to lower the tip significantly below the wrist since it is not bokken kata in which the bokken is emphasized?

    And if this is the case is this how one should also go about practicing this kata as a solo drill which you offer on this thread?

    Thank you for your honest answers to these questions.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2011
  19. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    /unsubscribe
     
  20. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    You know what? I actually feel sorry for him.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2011
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