Solo Exercises for Aikido

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  1. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Even though the vast majority of iai is studied solo, the student still should identify his opponent before him, rather than just execute a series of mechanical movements. Even if those movements were performed perfectly, without the psychology, without the involvement of one's opponent, those movements would be lifeless and meaningless.

    Intention is at the heart of everything we do because, without some form of intent, what we do is pointless.

    ki-ken-tai-ichi

    Those attributes can so easily be translated in to many things, and they apply equally within Kendo, Iaido and Aikido.
     
  2. makotokai

    makotokai Valued Member

    ki-ken-tai-ichi

    Those attributes can so easily be translated in to many things, and they apply equally within Kendo, Iaido and Aikido.[/QUOTE]

    Absolutely, its fundamental to all martial arts.
    Gerry
     
  3. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    ..And beyond mate.. Into business, daily life wherever you take something seriously enough to want to do it properly and with conviction.
     
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  4. mikiSRB

    mikiSRB New Member

    MAKOTOKAI you are right. Exercises with bokken are important, you can improve your techniques, power... If you look closer, all techniques in aikido emerged from a technique with the sword, and you can almost every tecniques do with the sword. Then when you overcome the basics you can go deepre and use youe energy to overcome your opponent. But there are problem, becouse you must feel that. No one can recount that.
     
  5. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Yes indeed. :rolleyes:
     
  6. izumizu

    izumizu Banned Banned

    Suburi is one of my favorite solo exercises (though I will also do suburi with the class).

    I especially enjoy suburi with my suburito, and this suburi with my suburito comprises the majority of my suburi these days.

    For those that may not know what a suburito is, you can begin a simple search here and find out more about it:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburit%C5%8D
     
  7. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    I've fixed that for you.. reads much more accurately now.
     
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  8. SeongIn

    SeongIn Banned Banned

    I see nothing condescending in what izumizu said as there are others not familiar with all the aikido and related terminology believe it or not. However, the fact that you chose to twist his statement into something other than what he said by misquoting him is not proper.
     
  9. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    Dave is not twisting Izumizu's statement.

    Izumizu is trying to make it appear that the people participating on this forum do not know what they are talking about and subsequently posts a URL for wikipedia explaining what suburi is in an attempt to make it look like we are being educated by him, when in fact some of us have been doing budo for over two decades.
     
  10. Rebel Wado

    Rebel Wado Valued Member

    I didn't know what it was. I thought is was something I could order at Taco Bell.

    I was about to do a Mexican Hat dance. :google:
     
  11. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    I don't see you critisising the gibberish and other utter non-sense posted by izumizu.

    Sure I accept there's a great many people who may visit this forum and may not know what a suburito is, but, as it's been pointed out to you already, that wasn't my point.

    Again, in your hast to defend izumiu, you missed the salient point.
     
  12. Rebel Wado

    Rebel Wado Valued Member

    Here, I rewrote Izu's post in a way that I think keeps the original intent, but does not sound like a page out of online help.



    Dave, stop talking about suburito; you are making me hungry.
     
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  13. SeongIn

    SeongIn Banned Banned

    What i'm defending is the courtesy to be correctly quoted. It is not proper to say that someone said something which they did not, in fact, say.

    You are justified in commenting on your perception of what someone said. However, misquoting is not perception, it is alteration of a statement.

    Better to quote what was actually said and then comment with your "salient" point based on the quote.

    As to the issue of haste, I assure you that I took the time to read the statement and select my words carefully in my reply as I have done here.

    As to criticizing content, were one a master of aikido, perhaps one would be in a position to criticize. But, if one were a master of aikido, perhaps one's position would be better served by setting an example and providing correct information to clarify rather than criticize.
     
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  14. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Again the irony levels here are off the chart.

    Apply this same statement to izumizu and you'll understand what i'm refering too.

    Do you remember this?
    So you've been unable to stand by your word.

    Here's my perception.

    On the one hand we have izumizu, a contributor of questionable quality, one who refuses to discuss even the most basic information regarding his background, a member who has very recently received a temp ban for troll like and disruptive behaviour.

    Then there's you, again, someone who despite being asked, hasn't divulged any information pertaining to their direct experience in the discipline of aikido, someone who hasn't contributed anything of value to this or other aikido specific threads recently but, wishes to get involved purely because you don't like the fact that I will continually challenge material which I consider to be of questionable quality.

    You seem to continually and very conveniently miss two topic moderators equally challenging this same material in a number of threads.
     
  15. makotokai

    makotokai Valued Member

    Derailing

    It's a pity that what could be a really informative thread on Aikido is continually being derailed.

    Aikido kata

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKxZz2g0Gow"]YouTube - Morihiro Saito Sensei 31 Jo Kata[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgvIXdzngMw"]YouTube - Aikido Morihiro Saito Sensei 7 bokken suburi[/ame]

    If we take on board the body movement and principles in these kata we have a constant bench mark by which to improve. Saito himself advocated always returning to the basics as a method of improving as well as retaining a beginner's mind.

    This rings especially true at the moment having lost Sensei Coyle, all of us at the Makotokai are striving to return to basic solid principles, Bokken and Jo suburi are fundamental to this.
    Gerry
     
  16. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Gerry, you're right, it is a shame this thread is continually derailed, unfortunately it's not without good reason.

    I do however refuse to apologise for challenging what I consider to be questionable content.
     
  17. izumizu

    izumizu Banned Banned

    My addition to this thread, though condescending in your opinnion, did not need fixing.
    Why you take it upon yourself to change and derail this thread from the topic of solo practice with suburi to adding references from wikipedia on the definition of "condescending" is ironic in its own nature, and then to insist that the thread is being derailed (again), one would only need to look to your post to see that your reply is not only off topic, but serves to derail this thread.

    My background, again, isn't what I have added to this thread in the form of solo training. I added a statement about training with a suburito, and a link for those that may not know what this training weapon is. It is not that difficult to understand. Questions about my background should go in an appropriate thread, and not one related to solo training in aikido. Or please feel free to PM me.

    Good reason? That's an issue for another debate...however, I'm not certain that having a good reason for derailing a thread is listed in the terms of service as a reason for it being okay to actually do so.


    Not hardly...I merely posted this information on my solo practice of suburi with suburito, and provided a link, as I have stated: for those that may not know what a suburito is

    That was very clear in my post. If you already knew what a suburito is, or indeed might practice with one from time to time, then this information probably would not apply to you. It is really that simple.

    And indeed there were other members who have not heard of it:

    And I'm sure there are folks who are not members that may be interested in the topic of this thread who may not have heard of a suburito as well.

    Then I'm glad I could fill you in on what your questionable content is in reference to a suburito. I thought for sure you would have heard of practicing suburi with one of these heavy wooden swords.

    Glad to be of help here, Dave, to you and to others that may not have heard of this practice weapon. If you have heard of it before, then perhaps you could add and contribute your own information on practice with suburito and decades of experience doing so, without changing the words in my post around and providing links to off topic information?

    I'd be glad to hear what you might have to share with others that read this thread on solo practice with suburito...who knows, I might even learn a thing or two from you.
     
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  18. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    can we agree on some things, and then call it a day?

    undo exercises are good for solo training
    bokken, suburito, and jo exercises are good for solo training
    if space allows, ukemi and shikko training are also good for solo training
    as always, work with an instructor to ensure that form is correct with any solo exercises in order to avoid bad habits.
    and...stretching, breathing exercises and martial-art-appropriate strength training are also good solo exercises.

    \thread closed?
     
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  19. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Edit:

    It isn't worth the effort.
     
  20. mikiSRB

    mikiSRB New Member

    Giovanni, tell them...:)

    Bokken is excellent exercises. If we work as a Morihiro Saito, our shoulders and forearms will burn...

    I always wondered how uchi deshis in Japan are so strong? Strong arm, great back.
    I doubt that they doing pull ups, press up...? What do you thing, what is their training?
     
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