Side Kick to the Knee

Discussion in 'MMA' started by Pretty In Pink, Apr 17, 2017.

  1. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

    Seen loads of people complaining about this technique claiming it's dirty and should be banned. Jones does it and so does Michelle Waterson.

    I personally have no problem with it at all, so what do you guys think about it?

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  2. Simon

    Simon The Bulldog Admin

    Jeet Tek and therefore I approve.
     
  3. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    People always moan about stuff that is hard to defend. Kicks to the thigh can mess with the knee too
     
  4. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Active Member Moderator Supporter

    It looks painful but for all the moaning I don't think I've ever heard of an injury from it in the UFC. Rampage moaned about them after fighting Jones but, ya know, Rampage.
     
  5. kandi

    kandi Valued Member

    I don't get it, the gif is not a kick to the knee but to the thigh.

    Currently reading someone on FB suggesting you can take a hard mawashi geri to the knee and be fine if you train in sanchin enough. Maybe that's the secret MMA has been waiting to hear.
     
  6. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Yeah, no. That says more about the power of a mawashi-geri than any magic power a karate stance has.
     
  7. kandi

    kandi Valued Member

    And it's really frustrating, because people would get seriously injured if they took his advice.
     
  8. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

    No, its a sign that the person saying it has never actually had a fight :)
     
  9. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

    DAMN YOU BEATING ME TO IT!!!!!!!!
     
  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

    Internet is always "caveat emptor" - so remember Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #59 :)
     
  11. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Anything that people are unfamiliar with is "dirty." Remember when MMA was new and people said kicks and ground fighting were dirty? Kicks to the knees are relatively easy to defend and at the long range people are using them there's little chance to compromise the joint.
     
  12. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

    I feel exactly the same. I know how to defend/counter it so it isn't a problem. Guys on the MMA forums have been moaning about it being dirty. There has one fight-ending injury from this move as far as I'm aware. Perfectly justifiable to use imo.
     
  13. kandi

    kandi Valued Member

    Don't you know the rules before you step into the ring / octagon? If you don't like the rules don't play.
     
  14. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

  15. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

  16. Mushroom

    Mushroom Goes well with everything Moderator Supporter


    Thats the first thought I have about that kick. Miguel Torres is a beast too (he was on a big slope downhill though but still...)

    Personally. I don't like it. But it's a perfectly legal, highly effective knee jarring kick.

    There is another fight...but i can't remember which one...where Fighter A is down on his back and upkicks Fighter B's shin. You see the leg just bend alll the way back.

    It works. Its legal. I wouldnt want to be at the end of one. I personally don't like it but for all the "against" arguements theres probably just as much as "for" arguments.
     
  17. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    I think overall people need to remember MMA is a game. Not life or death.
    As such I think it's something that shouldn't be allowed.
    That kick is one of those things where most of the time it's not injurious. But when it lands it has the potential to end careers and permanently disable I think.
    It's often compared to heel hooks and such (that can cause similar injuries) but for me the difference is the ability to tap out.
    You can't tap from a knee kick.

    And also...I'm squeamish about joints getting bent all over so don't wish to see that. :)
     
  18. aaradia

    aaradia Active Member Moderator Supporter

    I don't think the original video shows the kick being debated. It is the oblique kick- what my school calls an instep lift.

    I thought the controvesy was in the kick posted by dead pool.

    Or maybe both kicks are being debated as the issue is the potential hyper-extension of the knee.

    I think my Sifu said it is actually a kick that is more damaging if the kicker has shoes and the actual knee is targeted specifically. I have to check to see if I am remembering that correctly. It would explain why people think of it as it as so damaging, but it really hasn't been in MMA.

    Jones doesn't really target the knee exactly very often with it, does he? More the thigh? But not the kneecap area?

    Anyways, I am not aware of any actual serious injuries stemming from its use. And no, I don't consider Rampage a valid complaint.

    Jones is a dirty fighter though. His eye pokes are ridiculous. The ref's do not handle that properly IMO. Also the way he tries to game the system with his one hand down nonsense.

    Holly Holm uses it too. I think it it trained to be used by Team Jackson-Winklejohn as all fighters mentioned using it so far train there.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2017
  19. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

    Yeah, if you can train it safely enough you should be able to fight with it.
     
  20. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    You can train it fairly safely, not following through, placing the kick/s in sparring, doing it on pads and bags, etc.
    I still think the risk of serious "one off" injury is too great to risk it being mainstream.
     

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