Roadtoad's theory on Kote gaeshi

Sorry, no web cam, no cell phone. I'm just a poor old man.
Well, maybe irimi nage as a hip throw might be pretty descreptive of what I'm trying to say, but then, again, that sort of depends upon what version of aikido/aiki-jitsu that we're talking about. Classically, in what I call standard aikido, against a right hand shomen uchi, you make a right hand block--to start an irimi nage.
I'm talking about a left hand block, as if to start a kaiten nage. Then, instead of placing your right hand on the back of uke's head, as is standard in kaiten nage----rather, you slide in behind uke---so you are now, basically, butt to butt with him. You wrap your right arm around the front of him. Maybe around his belly. This will hold him in place as you throw him. You dip down, to start the hip throw. Your left arm is holding his right arm out of the way.---
You then, 'take a bow', or 'rise up'---to complete the hip throw.
He doesn't go straight over your back, rather, over your side, to the obliques. sp?
The reason is, you could never get 100% behind him. Once you catch on, I think you'll see that you only need to get slightly behind him.
Its really a pretty simple throw. Sorry about the no video ---and, I'm trying my best with the explanation.
Please try along with me. I think this could be a great throw for several MA styles.

 

After thinking about, I think your idea about ' an irimi as a hip throw', could be very descriptive in this sense: You're doing a Tohei style tai no henko, uke grabs your left wrist with his right hand katatori. Tori spins 180, then walks uke along a little, dips down, then spins back 180 and performs a basic irimi nage on uke.
This is close to my throw. uke's right hand is controlled by tori's left hand. Only, instead of going up for the irimi, you slide in, so that some of your right hip is touching some of uke's right hip. Tori uses his right arm to throw uke over, placing his arm on the most advantageous spot, over uke's right arm, over uke's left shoulder, or under uke's left armpit.
Then throw him over.
In that sense, your idea is very descriptive. Thanx for trying.

 

I may be going off on a tangent, but I was picturing the ukemi to be a backwards fall something like in o-soto-guruma.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLgO2HKpQ0k"]YouTube - ‪O-soto-guruma‬‏[/ame]

 

Please come to the T'ai Chi forum.I'd like to ask about your training with Cheng.

 

Let's stop with the excuses.

Explain to me how you've invented a throw when you've previously stated you're no longer studying aikido.

...Or perhaps this was something you invented yourself during your time on the mat, tell me, were you involved in teaching aikido, were you an aikikai registered yudansha ?

 

Yes, osoto guruma could actually be a variation of what I'm talking about. My Idea is to 'aikido' it, countering a shomen uchi with a kaiten nage-type beginning, keeping uke's right arm out of the way with the outward motion of tori's left arm (don't need to hold the gi, as in judo), and then, slide in, so some part of your right hip touchs some part of his right hip, dip down, then hip throw. You don't need to use the right leg as a pivot, aka osoto guruma, because you're in a better position dynamically, because you're using the arms for leverage, aka aikido.

 

Yes, I was registered at aikikai. And who can actually define the creative process. And, do you think that 10th dan Tohei actually quit practicing aikido after they kicked him out?
Or, the same, now that the Saito brand is no longer welcome?
When I left japan, I was only about 30, but I would have been paralyzed in the arms in about a year from doing all those sword strokes.
So, I picked up hatha yoga, more tai chi, more acupuncture, chi gongs, chi message, spiritual healing, etc.
And also pa kua, hsing i, thai kick boxing, tae kwon do, etc.
And, I started developing my own style.
I never did try to teach aikido, per sei, even though people will occasionally ask me to demonstrate a technique to them.
I don't go to aikido dojos, I don't have the money. Forgot to mention, the entire time I was in japan, I had to pay the full american price for my training, about twice the japanese price. And for the best Iwama aikido training ever, I paid full price, that of about $1.50 a month.
Now, looking back on aikido, I now believe that none of the aikido techniques will actually work unless tori has ki. I really believe that some ki is essential to all aikido.
I now have a real good idea about how osensei developed his super ki.
Since I don't see any aikido black belts with any ki anymore, I think this is going to be an uphill battle.
I also didn't mention that I've had two strokes and four seizures. But, I'm gaining steam fast.
I'm trying with the colonel now. If I get somewhere with him, I'll try in the local dojo in a year or two.
And then, even many of you (even those who are not mega-prejudice against indians)
seem to think that I am the biggest dipstick that you've ever heard of,
I'll try to run my ideas by you.
I've already dreamed up another new throw, and, my head is working, slowly, on two more.
But, I'll spare you for now.

 

take 39 bucks and invest it in a cheap digital camera

here is one for you (they also do it in colours other than pink)

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sanyo-VPC-S880/14971549

Having done that you can put all of our questions to bed and maybe show us all your Native system.

Now you have no excuses

 

Gotta say. I just can't picture roadtoad's technique at all. At least not anything remotely new.

 

LOL @ you comparing yourself to Tohei or Saito.

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Although this forum is rubbish and getting more ridiculous by the day, I am starting to find it addictive. I have included a clip from Nariyama Shihan that includes some techniques that Roadtoad might be able to draw on

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecihqMs4lLI"]YouTube - ‪shodokan‬&rlm;[/ame]

 

Those shodokan techniques are nice, but nothing like I'm talking about.
The camera, no. I can't show you the tribal techniques. I'm not allowed. I'm not a member of the tribe where I was raised.
But I will say, I'd like to see what your technique would be as Gaul (the guy on the american nickle) Came at you with nothing but a stone axe. He took no prisoners. And don't tell me about your wonderful gun, every one of Custard's soldiers had a gun.
Gaul wasn't even wounded.

 

You mean GALL?

He had a firearm on that day in question when he beat CUSTER - in fact that was what he used most of the time. Your knowledge of your supposed heritage is shockingly poor and the fact you cannot even get that information correct - let alone the actual spelling of his name - means we now know you are not a Native either

The final piece of your delusional posting comes crashing down

 

So where did you learn that boose-wah? Some book or something?
How many souix indians do you know?

 

At least I can spell his name right - and as he was Lakota talking to a Sioux would probably not avail much.

Most of my friends are Cree, but I know a few Crow too - is that significant beyond trivia?

The fact that it was Gall himself who gave the account about using firearms on that day kind of poops on your chips doesn't it?

 

And it was Gall, that came to be use in this phrase;



" He had the gall to misspell/misuse the word"

 

Sure, Gaul, or Gall, was his white name. He couldn't speak any english.
So, one story I can tell you about, was, in 1955, one year before integration came to the reservation, about 20 of us boys on the west end of the reservation would play war for hours. Law was against the law due to public law 280, so there were no police to worry about. There was no law.
We had the uphill guys vs. the downhill guys. We would use everything, rocks, bb guns, bow and arrows, slingshots, spears, boulders, all traps like--called in vietnam, the 'malasian sling'
And many other nonstandard weapons that I won't name. twins couldn't be on the same side because we fought too well together. So, my twin and I were on opposite sides. These two redbud Souix twins who lived there (probably chased off their own reservation.) were on opposite sides as well. The souix twins were so good with slingshots that you'd never believe it.
Also, since we were now technically american citizens, and all indian religions had been against the american law for 63 years, indian religions were still de facto against the law in 1955. And, all legal reservations which there were 350 in 1955, all west of the mississippi---we were marched to christian church once a week as a part of our education. If you didn't attend, you'd be kicked out of school.
So, they told us the story about David killing Goliath with the sling. This one souix boy went crazy, 'What's a sling?'
So, they told him, and soon, we were all practicing with slings.
Forgot to mention, the only murders allowed were interracial murders, those murders are unsolved to this day. But an indian kill an indian? And the law would come out of nowhere.
So, this souix guy rigged up this 24" steel arrow, with a piece of paraphem sp? right in the middle. He'd wind that baby up and could sling it well over 80 yards.
Now, most of us, with half normal IQs could hear that sucker coming and dive out of the way.
This low IQ guy didn't dodge well enough, that steel arrow went right through his head and nailed him to the old school house.
The law showed up from nowhere in about 3 hours.
The Souix twins disappeared, never to be seen again. The law took them away.
They had a sister that lived there, she was real nice, but she never spoke about what happened to them.
This was pretty much the end of the summer anyway. I don't think we played war any more that year.

 

-STAY ON TOPIC-

Otherwise STFU.

 

Clearly this thread has run it's course. Closed.