Newbie Needs Advice

Discussion in 'Self Defence' started by justanormalguy, May 19, 2015.

  1. justanormalguy

    justanormalguy Valued Member

    Here are the credentials of the Hapkido instructor:

    Master Lee
    7th degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do

    4th degree black belt in Hap Ki Do

    World Tae Kwon Do Headquarters Certified Instructor

    US Hap Ki Do Black Eagle Illinoise State president

    US Tae Kwon Do Chung Do Kwan Director

    USAT Tae Kwon Do Certified referee

    Korea police Academy Hap Ki Do Instructor (1998)

    Korea State Police Headquarters Tae Kwon Do Instructor(1998)

    Korea SWAT Team Head Instructor (1999 - 2002)

    Korea Presidential and Vip Guard (1999 - 2002)

    2002 Korea World Cup Guard

    2000 Asia - Europe President Meeting Guard (ASEM)

    Hap Ki Do State Sparring Team 1996-1997

    Hap Ki Do National Demonstration Team (Black Eagle, 1993- 1998)

    Tae Kwon Do State Sparring Team 1999-2000

    Korea SWAT Team Champion 2002

    Came to USA in 2002


    Master lee has earned national recognition for his martial art skills and teaching methods in the korea, he contributed to SWAT team and police to save many hostages and Citizens safely from criminals, Master Lee currently directs all his efforts to bring the benefits of Martial arts to the local community.


    Master Cho
    7th degree black belt in Hap Ki Do

    Head of International Department of the Hap Ki Do Heuk Choo Kwan Association

    Technical Director of the Heuk Choo Kwan Association

    Instructor of the korean Martial Arts School

    Demonstration Director of the Black Eagle Central Demonstration Team

    Supervisor of Hap Ki Do Seminars in US, UK, Portugal, Australia

    1st Class International Referee of Hap Ki Do

    1st Class Referee of Korean Hap ki Do Competition Association

    1993 Hap Ki Do World Competition Champion

    Thoughts?
     
  2. justanormalguy

    justanormalguy Valued Member

    My other option is to take private lessons from the guy that teaches the boxing. He seemed very knowledgeable when I had my first class which was one on one (no one else showed up). I could tell him I want more self defense and less cardio.
     
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Forget "learning self defense"; you are learning a physical skill that has carry over into a confrontation - confrontations that are usually avoidable

    Martial arts are NOT self defense; they are related to a subset of skills that form part of a self defense strategy. Boxing will equip you better than most things
     
  4. Remi Lessore

    Remi Lessore Valued Member

    As a concept KM may have the qualities you are looking for, but in practice it is highly variable in quality, as has been said.
    And you say anyway that it is not taught locally.
    For the time you would invest you might as well take a grappling and/or striking style and achieve much or all of what you want.
    Alternatively, you might do what I did at your age:
    find a remote reputable and well-taught KM school and attend camps and seminars there, find some training partners at home and practice the drills you do at the camp as well as striking/ grappling at a school closer to home.

    You will find they complement each other quite well.
     
  5. rne02

    rne02 Valued Member

    Testing combat sport fighting techniques only means they will work in the dojo when you are fighting. Criminal violence, from which you are trying to defend yourself with "self defence" isn't about fighting, as criminal will not attempt to fight you. Muggers, sexual predators, or just people that want to beat the snot out of you for fun won't ask you to roll, or initiate their attack from six feet away in a fighting stance with their hands up in a guard. They don't want a fight, a contest of skill, a reciprocal "back and forth" of techniques. They will sucker punch you because you were distracted by their question (Have you got a light mate?) and allowed them to encroach into your personal space to do so.

    They will distract you "have you got the time/ a light" during this "interview" they will access you state of alertness. If you fail, and they feel you are a suitable victim, they will launch a pre-emptive violent and continuous assault that will only end when you are incapacitated so they can they get what they want. You will not be given the opportunity to use the arm-bar/triangle choke/Ippon Seoi Nage that you "know" works.

    The only time fighting works is if you agree to engage in a street fight, which is illegal. (e.g. "You're staring at my bird, outside now", or you get out of your car to argue/indulge in road rage). That's not self defence, that's consensual violence, which is illegal.

    Assuming "fighting" techniques will work against criminal violence just shows a misunderstanding of criminal violence, and how criminals go about attacking their victims.

    Self Defence, is about knowing the rituals of Violence, using Target Hardening to lessen the chances of you being selected as a victim, and using Threat Awareness & Evaluation to escape/de-escalate, or (if these options are not available or fail) knwoing when to attack pre-emptively with your own one way continuous stream of violence, that ends once the opportunity to escape becomes available.

    "Fighting " techniques only "work" if you chose to engage in consensual violence/street fighting/drunken brawls, all of which are illegal and have nothing to do with self defence. Criminal Violence has nothing to do with "fighting" as criminal will not give you to opportunity to fight. Criminal violence looks nothing like, and has nothing to do with fighting.
     
  6. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Whilst I would agree self defense and fighting are bot the same thing when it DOES become physical what works better when pre-emptively striking? Something you have drilled and practiced under pressure or something you have imagined in your head? I would take an average boxer of 99% of so called "street toughs" in a heartbeat

    There is no "street vs sport" dichotomy - there is training that works and trianing that doesnt.
     
  7. LeaFirebender

    LeaFirebender Ice Bear has ninja stars

    *Quietly chants in the background* Hapkido. Hapkido. Hapkido.

    Nah, but really. I did Hapkido for about 6 years back home. I enjoyed it and I feel like I learned a lot. It's a good mix of striking, grappling, and weapons. If you like the school, I would definitely recommend.
     
  8. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    I wouldn't train there. You wouldn't like it anyway. Hapkido has a lot of grappling. It's just usually worse than other arts.
     

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