New ‪AIKIDO‬ style invented for self-defence

Discussion in 'Aikido' started by Bubble99, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. Bubble99

    Bubble99 Valued Member

    New ‪AIKIDO‬ style invented for self-defence :eek::eek::eek:

    There appears to be a new ‪AIKIDO‬ style invented they call it ‪REAL AIKIDO‬. I did some searching on this new ‪AIKIDO‬ style.

    It was developed by Ljubomir Vračarević, a self-defence instructor from Serbia.

    It is a mixture of aikido, judo and jujutsu but a much simplified version and bit more aggressive.

    He and her are promoting this new aikido style.


    Use translator it is not in English.
    http://www.bjjee.com/interview/sanj...s-martial-real-aikido-her-admiration-for-bjj/


    It seems to be growing in popularity in Eastern Europe.

    But there does not seem to be any schools in the US that teach this.:cry::cry::cry: So we cannot compare how effective this new aikido style.

    Well perhaps some members here have had some knowledge on this new style.

    Well aikido got very popular with Steven Seagal with so many new students wanting to take up aikido.


    I wonder about this new aikido style that he and her are promoting and how it will work in street flight and how effective it is. I think at this point there no schools in US teaching this new style:cry::cry::cry: it seems. :cry: So it is very hard to see how effective it is..


    I came across some articles and videos and wanted to do some research on this new style, but there is very little information on this new style. And some of it is not in English!!

    Some of the self-defence videos showing of this new style seem awesome:eek:


    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQa1p0xJK8Y"]FESTIVAL DES ARTS MARTIAUX 2014 ~ Le Real Aïkido en coulisse - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-MAX1TQ7DQ"]Tamaris - Real Aikido 1 - YouTube[/ame]

    But I don't think this new ‪AIKIDO‬ style made its way to the US yet, it seems very new this style.:cry: And so new it not spread out side of Eastern Europe.:mad:

    Anyone have some information on this new style.
     
  2. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Just looks like aikido with some Judo thrown in.

    The demos are a higher tempo than standard aikido demos, but they are just as compliant.
     
  3. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    I've always wanted to train aikido with Master Ken.
     
  4. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    No, it's not. Well, last I heard it's not recognised by the Yoshinkan Aikido group, the Aikikai guys or any of the major Aikido groups as being a form of Aikido. It's been around a few years though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Aikido
     
  5. Docholiday

    Docholiday Valued Member

    Looks like a more gritty less stylized form of aikido. Why not just take judo and learn a bit of aikido. This is all compliant drills just like the majority of aikido we see. The problem with aikido is there is no safe way to train it with resistance. The heavy emphasis on wrist locks and standing joint locks means you have to put the lock on hard and fast. If you give the opponent the chance to resist or submit before the break it's probably not going to work. Aikido is an advanced art and should really be taught secondary to judo or another grappling system. You need to learn how to control and submit a resisting person first, judo and most other grappling will teach you these fundamentals. Additionally, judo, bjj, and many other arts use the aiki principal of borrowed force and taking the path of least resistance. Once you have good fundamentals controlling a resisting grappling opponent aikido is a great way to refine skill. Aikido is like calculus you can't learn calculus before you can add and subtract. Also when fighting in real time simplicity is one of the best approaches.
    The problem with hybrid systems is the instructors try to take the best of many arts but what is lost is fundamental skill building techniques. Students is these hybrid systems rarely seen to surpass the instructor. I suppose all martial arts are are synthesis of some other system, but at this point why try to reinvent the wheel?
     
  6. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    i've seen these videos for years on youtube.

    no, it's not "real" aikido.
     
  7. Bubble99

    Bubble99 Valued Member

    Looks like a more gritty less stylized form of aikido.

    What do you mean by it is more gritty? You mean harder? If you mean by soft well yes traditional Aikido is soft a martial art with lack words a sorta of hippie way of fighting and causing no injury.

    Some of the Aikido combative schools and this one try to put in elements of bit more throws and strikes. So if you a traditional Aikido student it may be look more gritty if that what you mean by that.

    Why not just take judo and learn a bit of aikido

    Because the instructor took parts of Japanese jiu jitsu, judo and bit more emphasis on aikido with modifications of it and repackaged it and called it Real Aikido.

    Well yes there nothing real about it he could called it Aikido extreme or what ever he wanted to call it.


    his is all compliant drills just like the majority of aikido we see. The problem with aikido is there is no safe way to train it with resistance.

    Why would you resistance pain if person has lock on you it will hurt. If you try bending arm,wrist or fingers so on in way it hurts to point you will freeze up. If you do not stop you can cause injury.

    Unless person is on drugs or one of those guys that take lot of pain most likely he or she would be gong to hospital with injury in that case.

    What I was getting at is how effective this style is because it is new.

    Some people criticize Aikido may not work well in some street fights when person is swinging the arms or fist lighting speed. That you would have to be very good at Aikido to make the grab.

    May be why some people go for more gritty way, a hard strike, kick,knee, elbow or hand strike or two to set up person up for grab and than a take down and last strike. But than people say it is too hard and Aikido is soft.

    Steven Seagal is into harder Aikido now and uses lot of strikes and than take down. And he has no problem breaking bones in movies.

    I've always wanted to train aikido with Master Ken.

    Unless there are schools in US teaching this, it may be hard to see how effective it is. You can't even go to school and sit in and see it, unless you book a flight to Eastern Europe where people are not going to do.

    If there was two or three schools in US teaching this it be easier to see how effective it is.
     
  8. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Spoken like someone who has never experienced a standing armlock. I think he means gritty in the sense that there's a lot more forceful pushing and pulling than aikido, which tends to be more about gently guiding uke around.
    Yeah, but is that really a new martial art? Has he added anything new to it? Does the mash-up add value to either jiu jitsu, judo or aikido?
    That's not what people mean when they talk about resistance.
    And I see nothing in this that counters those issues.
     
  9. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    honestly, if you want us to take you seriously, then you have to stop posting nonsense.
     
  10. Xanth

    Xanth Valued Member

    Looks like a Kuk Sool Won Demo to me, there is an element of compliance because the attacker does not want to break his arm/wrist/leg/neck. Aikido in blue GIs without Hakima is cool...and novel, but not necessarily new.

    and

    hot chick is hot :evil:
     
  11. Bubble99

    Bubble99 Valued Member

    Spoken like someone who has never experienced a standing armlock. I think he means gritty in the sense that there's a lot more forceful pushing and pulling than aikido, which tends to be more about gently guiding uke around.


    What is wrong with it being bit more rough and forceful.


    Yeah, but is that really a new martial art? Has he added anything new to it? Does the mash-up add value to either jiu jitsu, judo or aikido?


    That is why I would like to see how effective it is out side the class in self defense. If it only works 10% of time out side the class it is not really effective.


    That's not what people mean when they talk about resistance.


    Hul? Other threads here people say why does he not pull way,fight harder or not go down. The reply is if you do that in can cause injury.

    If some one is bending arm,wrist or fingers are you going to comply. It not being how man can you get with pain. It is do you want a injury.
     
  12. Moi

    Moi Warriors live forever x



    It's how you get to apply the armbar or any technique. Knowing the opponent is going to to 'this' then you do 'that' however hard is complient training and won't necessarily transfer to real life
     
  13. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    This doesn't look any better than any other Aikido school I've seen that weren't aikibunnies.
    It suffers from the same compliant attacks made to look a bit more intense by speeding up the "attack" and the stopping to allow the counter to happen.
     
  14. Docholiday

    Docholiday Valued Member



    If you can get the standing lock they may comply, or they may continue to fight you. The issue is getting the lock in the first place. If you try to straighten an attackers arm and go for the elbow lock, as soon as he senses it he's gonna keep that arm bent, so then you go for the shoulder lock, as soon as he realizes that he's gonna react again. If he's much bigger than you, you're not gonna have the time to push and pull all over the place because you're just gonna get punched or taken down. A standing joint lock has to be done fast and unexpectedly, if you hold back and try to make the guy submit you risk loosing the lock, especially if the guy is skilled. The same happens in ground fighting, sometimes to lock the guy or put of the choke and he squirms or flails a little before submitting. He can't escape as easily because he's on the ground but standing is different. My point is the majority of aikido techniques can't be trained with resistance because they are done standing and as per my previous explanation you can't slowly put on a standing joint lock (in many scenarios but not necessarily all) or you risk losing control. Of course, it's different for a cop or bouncer where the assailant may be semi compliant but not actively trying to engage in a fight. An assailant may let a cop put his hands behind his back and then start being uncooperative, but by putting his hands behind his back he's already given the cop the dominant position and the cop can apply a shoulder lock (hammer lock, whAtever you want to call it) easily. But for a regular person fighting another guy try and get him in that same position, probably not gonna happen unless you're significantly bigger.
     
  15. Bubble99

    Bubble99 Valued Member

    It's how you get to apply the armbar or any technique. Knowing the opponent is going to to 'this' then you do 'that' however hard is complient training and won't necessarily transfer to real life

    I don't see the problem here.Not sure why some people here see this as major problem.

    What do you mean may not transfer to real life? If the person is on drugs or like to take lot of pain in real life they would be going to the hospital with injuries.

    Yes and those clips I posted was bit slower tempo.

    It bit more tempo than that.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69wdPhI01jU"]REAL AIKIDO "Masters" - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsVmnFAcFB4"]REAL AIKIDO - BEST SELF DEFENSE - MASTERS - YouTube[/ame]
     
  16. Docholiday

    Docholiday Valued Member

    It doesn't transfer to real life because no attacks with 100% commitment than completely relaxes and let's you do your techniques. Normal average people are tense and will keep resisting. Like I said you can't really train aikido with a resisting partner and be safe. If you can't train with resistance you're not going to learn how to control an aggressive attacker. Could you imagine judo or bjj only training with %100 compliant partners than trying to compete in the ufc? Everyone would think the arts suck because the judo and bjj practitioners wouldn't have the experience training with a resisting opponent and thus wouldn't be able to apply it. That's why I advocate aikido with a solid base in an art that does do resistance training/sparring.
     
  17. Moi

    Moi Warriors live forever x

    You're overcomplcating. What if your real life opponent doesn't do that? Whatever that is
     
  18. Docholiday

    Docholiday Valued Member

    Who are you talking to? What if a real life opponent doesn't do what?
     
  19. Moi

    Moi Warriors live forever x

    That's kind of the point
     
  20. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    i would add to this that unless you train with resistance, your attacks are going to be woefully inadequate. which is what you see with the posted videos. the defenses are predicated on attacks which frankly don't even hit the broad side of a barn.
     

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