Mormonism

Not quite, although there is a worrying amount of LARP present in Paganism/Occultism these days!

 

No, that is an evil clone from Osbourne's Dark Avengers

 

I can't help smiling every time some kid posts "I'm a pagan!" I have to resist the urge to ask them if they went to Pagan Sunday School. Bless!

 

I tend to state "technically pagan, thelemite if pushed and occultist for precision"

People stop talking to me after that for some reason...........

 

Ive looked into it to. Archeology and the Book of Mormon. We could discuss the evidence, both conclusive and inconclusive but will have to do it later. I don't have time at the moment.
One thing i would point out is LDS critics always ask for evidence and then when its shown to them they say Smith was just a lucky guesser or they try to dismiss it as coincidence.

 

Does that count for Moon Quakers?

 

Occam's Razor is your friend - use it

Don't forget Smith was also a convicted felon (fraud for pretending he had psychic powers of all things...wonder why he founded a religion to fleece people then? Surely THAT must be genuine even if his earlier scam wasn't? )

Also look at the debacle of the "Book of the Coming Day" - "Missing book of the bible"? Please! Now apparently there are two translations - mundane and divine...yes they are that stupid

Evidence is only evidence if it stand up to scrutiny - this crap doesn't, not does any of the absolute guff Smith came out with in the name of a quick buck

Oh, and Moon Quakers.....you still have not addressed the Moon Quakers

 

If it was a standalone rebuttal I would actually be with you on that - and reputation is not always a basis for reality or fact, something as a pseudo-Thelemite (i.e. Crowley) I am acutely aware of

The problem with Smith is that his conviction was AFTER his exceptionally dubious claim of golden tablets and silver spetacles (which strangely only he was allowed to use) was out there. Effectively he is little more than a Popoff of his generation

None of his claims hold up to scrutiny, and this is not just a fact of doctrinal differences or philosphical clashes - those are to be expected when we all believe different things after all - it is a simple case that he is out and out W-R-O-N-G

The claims - and weak ones at that - made of his "correct" predictions all have alternative explanations and there is less evidence for him being a prophet then athere is for Edgar Cayce (and that is saying something!)

And before I finish - Moon Quakers...sorry I mean, MOON QUAKERS???

 

The hard part for me to understand is that God has established that he can talk directly to people (Adam, Eve, Moses etc) or through Angels talking to the shepards, mary, joseph etc. He can write in a language that is understood by humans, the ten commandments being the best example....so why then are these mysterious golden plates set on earth to be found by a guy who can't read them. The angel Moroni didn't translate them for him, he stuck his head in a black hat (scrying) and interpreted them that way. If God intended Smith to know the one true religion and that all people of the earth should follow it, or suffer the consequences...then why the hell didn't he make it a tad little easier to read ? I mean, there are kids in tribes out in the middle of africa that are never exposed to the word of God...am I to believe they are doomed to eternal damnation for not worshiping? I don't think so. My version of religion has a God, and like a parent he is forgiving of all things and accepting of our faults and would never put anyone in eternal time out. He certainly wouldn't have 3 seperate levels of heaven so that the kids he likes better could have a better time than the ones he only likes a little. Mormonism falls apart on the logic table.

 

I can see why you would get that idea.
Herculese is far more entertaing a character than Thor, Thors storm powers have nothing on the purple nurple or Hercs power of sound effects.

 

Didnt he start the Mormon thing early on in his life?
He was killed climbing out of a jail cell window, so i imagine he found himself in trouble after aswell.

Oddball funfact, he apparently yelled out some kind of insiders Masonic cry climbing out the window.
So that would be the JW, Mormons and scientology who have.. at least had some kind of interest or dealings in the lodge earlier before um, seeing the light

 

who me, lol nah i just waffle whatever crosses my mind at times

Im sure you know more than i ever will mate, i guess i just find it intruiging that people like Hubbard crossed paths with Crowley at some stage, and Smith, i vaguely remember watchig something where he had dealings with masons or something, maybe they kicked him out at some stage i cant recall the whole thing.

But both of them definately had an urge to guide people in some way, for whatever reason, and were drawn to the lodge. Which, i will admit, is probably a thought process that leads nowhere lol, just find it interesting for whatever reason.

 

You are very wrong about many things. Let me give you a brief history lesson. When Joseph Smith described the writing on the plates as a mix of Hebrew and Egyptian the scholars of his day called him a liar, saying no such language existed. We now now he was describing Paleo Hebrew, a language unknown to scholars at the time. We now know it was commonly used in ancient Israel until the Babylonian conquest, then it died out as they adopted the Aramaic alphabet. Don't take my word for it, look up Paleo Hebrew if you want.
As for metal plates, we know from discoveries in Iran, southern Bulgaria, more recently in Jordan, that writing on metal plates was common in the Mediteranean world.
Lets not forget the land of the bountiful. He was called a liar for describing a fertile tropical oasis in the Arabian Penisula. At the time it was believed the Arabia was all desert. We now know the Book of Mormon is describing the Dafar region on the Omani coast. The BofM even gives the exact location, due east of Nahum. All coincidence right?
You do know the Dead Sea scrolls support the BofM in several ways right. I can give examples if you want.
Can you tell me how Joseph Smith could possibly have known of the Dead Sea scrolls which weren't discovered until 100 years after his death?

 

I believe the truth was revealed to Joseph Smith not because he was any better than you or me but because he sought the truth, humbled himself before God and sought with all his heart.
As for reaching the world with the word, thats what missions are for.

 

Oh dear. This is really getting silly.

 

You LDS critics used the cement argument for a long time. Saying the BofM couldn't be true because of the cement structures it described. It was believed the indians didn't have cement. Until 20th century excavations proved the Maya and other cultures did use cement. You have shut your mouths about cement now. Then for years you said the BofM was lying about barley being grown in the ancient Americas until it was proven it did.
So you think Joseph Smith was just a very lucky guesser or what?
BTW moons refers to planets. Do you claim to know whether there is life on other plaets in the universe? Are you Captain Picard now?