Hi All There is the "Cool Videos" but I noticed there was no thread purely for members personal vids. So please, if you have any personal vids that you would like to post this is the place to do so. I would love to see what you guys do Myself, some students of the dojo I train at and students from a nearby dojo have formed a study group of sorts and have started filming part of our sessions for critiquing, learning and exchanging ideas I thought it would be interesting to get some third party opinions (That's you guys) so I created the thread...plus my hubris wouldn't extend to posting this in "Cool Aikido Videos" Anywho...Take a look. It's all Jiyu Waza (Yoshinkan Free Style). My stuff starts around the 6.30 mark. Thoughts, comments and questions always appreciated. Cheers! [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZxERvIUWj8"]Friday Bash - Jiyu Waza - Yoshinkan Aikido - YouTube[/ame]
Looks like a good group to train with and a nice video. I enjoyed the video, looks very smooth. I'm kind of curious if your leg work has ever been an issue for you since you appear to be taller than all the ukes. Sometimes it looks like you are leaving a leg out "to get cut off", if this makes sense to you. And you tend to come down on one or both knees, which can be a bad habit on cement or any hard surface (e.g. bust a knee cap).
Hi Rebel yes, my ridiculously long legs have been an issue in the past. Getting into and holding low postures and stances can sometimes be difficult and strenuous Also, when taking ukemi my legs turn my feet into pendulums and it can be difficult not to smash them into the floor. I have injured my feet this way before. When you say 'leaving the leg out' I assume you are talking about one of the shihonages. We call this a kuzushi shihonage in jiyu waza, the point being to tip uke over your extended leg. If their ukemi isn't good enough you take out their legs with your extended one and whip their arm around in a diagonal cut. if that's not the point you were making just give me a timestamp on the vid and I'll try to get to the bottom of it. As for going down on to one or both knees; I'm not sure that I could call it a bad habit as it's what the technique calls for and it's how I've always been taught. But I do understand that doing one of those two-kneed drop down kokyunages on concrete would be...uncomfortable. The idea of that technique is to get in and under uke's attack and then just accelerate their momentum as they go over you. It's a bit like the drop seoinage in Judo and they go onto both knees. The knees tend not to go straight down into the mat, they actually slide forward a bit as your legs and hips open so your posture can sink. That seems to take the impact out of it. So I guess scraped and bloodied knees rather that cracked ones would hopefully be the outcome.
Everything I write here is just in my opinion, but hear me out. Your long legs is a very cool thing. It can be a great asset. The techniques I am wanting to discuss could be described as Seoi Otoshi, Tai Otoshi, and Sumi Otoshi. All demonstrated in the following video: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFrP05AORdE"]seoi otoshi tai otoshi - YouTube[/ame] Yes, I am talking about this "kuzushi shihonage" that I see in the video. It is very similar to Tai Otoshi, which is a throw your long legs will help with. However, the danger with long legs with this throw is if the opponent ends up falling on your leg over the knee or recovers their balance. IMHO, the weight distribution is critical for this throw to avoid uke from falling on your leg or regaining balance. The majority of your weight should be on the leg that you are throwing uke over. I can tell you are doing it correctly by where your head is positioned. However, one time at the end (9:13-9:14) you have your weight over your non-throwing leg. I thought it was more, but I think it was just camera angle. Once I really looked. It was only that one time. The two knees to the ground version of Seoi Otoshi didn't look all that bad to me for hard surfaces... not the best idea but could be used as a last resort. It is the one knee version of Seoi Otoshi that is not good for hard surfaces like pavement. With adrenaline, this can easily slam the knee into the ground and cause serous self-injury, IMHO. What I was concerned about was the throw at around 6:51. It appeared to be Sumi Otoshi (corner throw) but had the weight on the right knee like Seoi Otoshi. Watch out for this. Sumi Otoshi should have weight over the left leg in this case -- throwing over that leg, not the right. This will help prevent the right knee from slamming into the ground. For example: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXwN34tGpjA"]sumi otoshi - YouTube[/ame] Just some thoughts. Excellent video you posted. After watching it a few times, I am quite impressed.
Hi Rebel Thanks so much for taking the time to look for examples to your comments. it really helps me understand other peoples perspectives as well as learning about the common aspects of techniques across other martial arts. It's really appreciated. Having looked back at my video with your comments in mind the Shihonage at 9.14 is indeed guilty of poor leg positioning. For some reason I have started a Kuzushi Shihonage and end in a traditional one where you would be on one knee (still holding onto uke in case you wanted to end the Jiyu Waza set with an osei). Leaving my leg out in a half bent, weak position just begging for uke to come down on top of it and pop my knee. Thanks for drawing my attention to it. The throw at 6.51 is an Ude Garami variation where one hand is controlling the elbow rather than interlocking your own hands around there wrist. This version is used a lot in jiyu waza mainly due to ease. Your point about the knees is correct though. looking at it now it is obvious that I haven't extended Uke enough. My left leg should be further out, opening my hips, when the throw happens I should be closing my hip in the direction of my left foot in a forwards motion. I haven't done that here. I have dropped all my weight onto my right knee and my hips have gone backwards. My left foot actually moves backwards. Very bad I was looking for an Ude Garami vid to demonstrate how it should be done and I found one of Takeno Sensei....And his left foot moves backwards! But I guess he can get away with it... At 1.08 [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXBudD_z6No"]Excellent Aikido Demonstration (1) - YouTube[/ame] Thanks again, this has really helped me notice some issues. Glad you enjoyed it!
Mofo, I've never seen someone attempt a suwari-waza udekiminage before. I always kind of figured that technique required more vertical space. I'm impressed.
Just had to look up UDEKIMINAGE. I know it as Hijiate Kokyunage and the suwari-waza version is in our syllabus [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN8t5dwn9GY"]Suwari Waza Katate Mochi Hiji Ate Kokyu Nage (2) - YouTube[/ame]
Ah, "get away with it" is a good way to think about it. If something works, then it works. All I'm adding to the formula is to evaluate the context in which it is appropriate. It isn't only whether the technique works for you, it is also in what context would you think the technique is appropriate and conversely, in what context would you want to avoid using it. You have nice long legs, when you drop to one knee, where is the majority of the force going? If going on the one knee and the majority of the force is on that knee, then I would avoid using that technique on a hard surface in street clothes. Alternatively, maybe you can get away with it on a soft, more forgiving, surface. Or even another alternative, if you are wearing body armor on the knees, maybe now the technique is appropriate. So in today's lifestyle, how often are you on a hard surface and without body armor protecting the knee? Probably much of the time. Since jiyu waza is more dynamic, the techniques used are the things that are programmed more into your instincts. For each individual, it is not just what you can do, not just what works, but also what you avoid doing that can matter. IMHO. Anyway, cheers... and yes, I did enjoy your video very much.
I'm scared to video my training for fear of looking back at the footage and seeing how bad I really am! Good idea for a thread tho, I hope people keep contributing.
That's kind of the point I've found it so useful being able to look back at my training. So many things jump out at you that you just can't picture when you're actually doing it Having other people from different M.A backgrounds commenting and asking questions forces you to really think about what you're doing and why It's been very useful. I'll put more videos up soon, hope others do too
Essex Aikido Dojo is in the process of developing a youth squad to represent Essex at both national and international event. Youth team members practicing kakarigeiko [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTH-heT16R8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUfdtlOT2SKfz0yrNJQyNeYg"]Youth Aikido at www.tomiki-aikido.org - YouTube[/ame]
Thanks for posting! Really enjoyed watching that Quick question... As you are the sensei of these students are you looking for comments, questions or feedback? Or just posting so week can have a look?
Yes these are my students. I am open to constructive comments. The boy winning the British Aikido Association 2012 junior open. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yesXTAX3OLI"]Essex Aikido Dojo BAA Junior Open South 2012 - YouTube[/ame] Also a clip of the junior class practicing kata and kakarigeiko. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlms71FJjWY"]Youth Tomiki Aikido - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5lYvQrUWCI&list=UUfdtlOT2SKfz0yrNJQyNeYg"]Sugamo Toshu Randori at Essex Aikido Dojo (Shoshinkan) - YouTube[/ame] In March of this year Essex Aikido Dojo were honored to be visited by Itsuo Haba 7th Dan JAA and his high school students from Sugamo High School Tokyo. Haba Sensei has developed a Youth competitive format called Sugamo Toshu Randori. Essex Aikido Dojo was one of the first club outside of Japan to learn the system. This video clip shows Peter and Damian trying the system out for the first time.
Hey, been gone for awhile. Hope all is going well in these parts. I like your idea of the Friday Bash training. Video taping your training is a brave thing...I usually do that for test prep. My dojo just got mirrors as well, which was an eye opener. Particularly for weapons work. As to your video I will just touch on some common threads I noticed. For Geoffrey (the big guy, right?), I felt like he had really good timing. As to Mojo's post, just to join the discussion: If you're feet are smashing the mat, have you tried flexing your toes back like you are about to do a front snap kick? That flex's your calf muscle and helps keep the ankle off the ground a little. If you already do that, I don't know what else to tell you...I wouldn't really know for a tall person, as I am a shortie. As for 'kuzushi shihonage' we nickname that taiotoshi shihonage. I know judo people will get on me because, technically, tai otoshi is a hand throw but it looks similar and explaining it that way helps the judo people get the idea of what the leg is for. I think in our dojo we call it Oyo waza: Shihonage kuzushi katahiza tsuki...or something like that. We also do single and dual knee drops. Going two knees down is akin to a sacrifice throw, but you aren't sacrificing your balance at all (or we shouldn't be). Its like a kokyunage but uke stays attached. 'Fit in' with uke's attack, attach him to yourself, and add your dropping momentum to his attack momentum. Very fun. I just finished a test and thought it went well. I looked at some video of it and was like "really, we were going that slow?!?" Felt like we were going fast...but I had about 15 minutes of weapons stuff before hand techniques, plus I participated as uke in four nidan tests before my test started...so I guess I was a little winded. Makes you appreciate how awesome guys like Ando, Chino, and Thambu are. Cool stuff though, I'll try to get some videos up. Mojo, you have a Youtube channel?
Not so much training, but a clip from a recent test. I posted this in Cool Aikido Videos, and I didn't mean to as it isn't all that cool. Anyway, here's the original post below: Speaking of atemi, and to get back to thread relly, here's a clip of me teaching a first control where nage initiates with an atemi to uke. If it seems like I'm talking too fast and not breaking the technique down enough its because I was asked to teach a ten minute block at a seminar with like 30 seconds warning as part of my test that weekend...so I definitely had some nerves going on. I really like exploring different kinds of entries to techniques, and this is one thats fun to experiment with. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/aoe72ldbkrxxyq3/IoXSPUWMNo#lh:null-M2U01242.MPG
