Hi Kogusoku... Yep, your absolutely right - web hand !!! I think it's the Durer manuscript where I've seen finger-jab to the throat... I'll look it out!!! Louie
Another illustration from Talhoffer... This time the defender uses the back of his forearm to deflect the attacker's thrust.... (Possibly including the use of the outer thigh to strike the inside leg to unbalance the attacker) Louie
Yeah I notcied that too. The question is, is it a block? and do you block the leg before, after or at the same time as stabbing? The Bear.
Sensitivity The defender doesn't appear to grip/press the leg - I would suggest he's 'monitoring' the position of his opponents leg should there be an attempt to kick or sweep his lead leg, before, during or just after the counter-thrust..... Louie
Same deflection in a hand technique. If I had a knife the hilt would be in my left hand and the blade hidden along my forearm. The right hand misdirects his defence and the left turns the blade to strike the abdomen. regards koyo
Damn straight. Don't let him know you've got a knife until after you've stuck him. Best regards, -Mark
This is called an elbow-push in Fiore (see link: http://fiore.the-exiles.org/fioreimages/novati/pd07r_2.jpg ) The same is allso done pre-emptive and is exctremely effective: You show your intent to do an icepick-thrust to your opponent with your right arm. As all his focus is on your decending dagger, he doesn't notice how your left arm sweeps up, catches his defence (his left arm) pulls it slightly, so his defence is turned aside, then your dagger hits his neck (See link: http://fiore.the-exiles.org/fioreimages/novati/pd08r_2.jpg and for the end-picture, this attached image: )
Same principle in hand technique blocking arm intercepted and used to unbalance him. Pitty we could not all get together.What an exchange that would be. regards koyo
Hi Koyo... Usually there's a Scottish MAP-MEET once a year (usually in Edinburgh) where fellow MAPPERS get together in a multi-style seminar xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Next illustration... Here's another disarm you should all recognise, an over-the shoulder armbar! Louie
Another variation on the over-the shoulder armbar technique, pulling your opponent into your dagger!!! Louie
Fiore allso shows this, he allso shows a counter, I'll post links to pictures when I have better time.
Straight elbow can allow him to strike with free hand or strangle. Best to bend the arm and take him over your hip. regards koyo
Bill, That all depends on how nicely you're putting on that joint lock. If the lock (Gyaku seoi-gatame in Jujutsu) is put on properly, the enemy should not be able to counter that easily. Also if he tries to move, break the floating ribs with your elbow and either flow to a different technique. Since he's got a weapon, it's not a restraint. You're going to destroy that limb, not put him on his tip-toes.
Agreed. AS you say it is done in one motion or leads to another technique. Of course any technique done properly cannot be countered. regards koyo edit Maybe I should have said I prefare this cos I am a short ass. Liked the breaking the rib.
Here's a dagger-locking technique - haven't seen this particular one in any oriental styles - have you? The defender on the right jams his dagger between his opponents dagger and wrist then turns it back - wrapping his own blade around the attackers wrist and locking the knife. The technique is only practical with large blades - and I would suggest, gauntlets!!!! Louie
It would work on blunt rondells (three/four-sided blades) without the gauntlet. This one is not shown in Fiore :ban:
We have a similar technique which is a counter to knife taking. We stab down with the knife and the opponent blocks the stab and as he grips the wrist we push our thrust deeper into his grasp cover his fingers with our free hand and turn the knife over his forearm aikidoka would recognise this as an application of nikkyo. Again we have similar applications of techniques. regards koyo In the illustration if he were to grasp his own blade with his left hand and twist clockwise he could put pressure on the opponent to drop his blade.
Somthing similar to what you describe here is shown in the Fiore Manual(s): http://fiore.the-exiles.org/fioreimages/getty/g40r_3.jpg Another variant is that instead of pinning the wrist(s), you stab the arm in the elbowpit as shown here: http://fiore.the-exiles.org/fioreimages/getty/g13r_2.jpg
