LEO training advice.

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by hewho, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. hewho

    hewho Valued Member

    TL;DR:
    May apply for a police force, what would you recommend for training, both fitness and martial?

    Just a question, really aimed at anyone with law enforcement experience, but if you have something to add please chip in!
    For a bit of background I've been struggling to make my chosen career path work for me, and have bee looking at applying for the Ministry of Defence Police Force. The physical training entry requirement seems ok, just doing a bleep test, but I was wondering what other training people would recommend for on the job fitness, and whether to start looking seriously at training with people knowledgeable in use of force, legal consequences and the like, or just to assume it would be covered in the basic training?
    Thanks in advance!
    Hewho
     
  2. narcsarge

    narcsarge Masticated Whey

    Run! 3-6 miles daily. There is usually some minimum time for a given distance for qualification. North Carolina's was 1.5 miles in under 14 minutes. Check with the qualifications for the department(s) you're interested in. Bodyweight exercises; pullups, pushups, situps, are standard. Be prepared to be able to perform multiple sets of each (i.e # x 15 pullups). You may also have to clear an obstacle/wall 6' (2m) or taller. Upper body strength, or the ability to run up the obstacle (I had a jack rabbit kid who scaled the wall by running up it), is an asset. Do tricept work (elbows close to the body push ups or tricept push ups on a chair/bench).

    As far as martial training, usually comes in the course of your training. Think Jujitsu or wrestling. Weapon retention training is something that can be found if you look hard enough. Best of luck if you decide to pull the cord and go for L.E.O. certification.
     
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  3. hewho

    hewho Valued Member

    Eurgh, running *meathead shudder* cheers, it won't be until next year, but I'll certainly add more bodyweight work between sets.
    The info on the website regarding the fitness is 'If your application is sifted in you will be required to attend an assessment, complete a physical fitness test (currently the bleep test to level 7.6)' Ministry of Defence

    I'll have a look for weapons retention in my area, I do attend a weapons class, but it's traditional Japanese swordwork mostly, with my JJJ instructor, so not quite what I need for this xD

    Thanks, it's definitely something that appeals more than a normal 9-5
     
  4. narcsarge

    narcsarge Masticated Whey

    Ok. Couldn't tell your location from your profile so it's U.K. then. No idea about weapon classes for L.E.O.'s in the U.K. Some of the more knowledgeable members on here; Simon, Hannible, Mitch may have a better understanding of the requirements. I know that here in the U.S. you have to pass a basic physical assessment even to be considered. It weeds out the weak and passive :D. If you're working out in a gym and training m/arts then you're a step ahead of most recruits.
     
  5. hewho

    hewho Valued Member

    Must have changed my settings! Still helpful, thanks!
     
  6. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    Probbly going to be "lynched" by somone here.




    Should do fitness obviously, but from memeory, you get at least some degree of training in most counties in the martial area, to eb qulfieid to use a baton and all that. there is some variation from the home office police and the other ones and some variation in the home office police forces. But doing Judo or Martial arts can only benefit your policing career. You should probbly do grappling ones more though. MoD police from what you probbly all ready know is AFO most of the time and you get that training first, so you would probably get a good grounding in weapon retention if somone rushes you. :p (im just a lowly wanna be county officer. )


    My plan for doing anyhting like that since i need a level 3 qulfiication and a full U.K's drivers licence is doing a public services course in college.


    Do NOT ask me what any of the standards of passing courses are and what they call them etc because i wouldnt know. And i have only really looked at my counties police properly, the second viewed from me would be the CNC then the MoD police.

    In regards to weapons classes there wont be many for AFO's you coudl try and take up practical shooting thats getting more popular in the U.K or just target and clay pigeon shooting. Unless you want to travel outside the U.K but then you get the issues of contary trainign if you go to a private instructor. (no idea if you asked, but i responded)
     
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  7. hewho

    hewho Valued Member

    Had a few friends who did the public services, one is now in the RAF. Good luck, and let us know how you get on! Yeah, 90% of MDP officers on duty are armed, looking forward to getting a new skillset there, haven't shot since I was about 13.
     
  8. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    Amendum to above i foudn a U.K company in the Czech republic which does tactical weapon courses, its more aimed at the private secuity and close protection market though but i dont really rememeber. None of the weapons they have are used by the MoD police, actually they might have a MP5, i dont remmeber and i dont recall if they use the MP7 fully now or not (the MoD police.

    Shootings fun, i would do it if i could get a licence and transport a firearm and by extension reliably get to the clubs in my area. Get a licence, join a club which has a range for practical shooting, put that as a reason you want a .22lr rifle shaped like a AR-15 or what ever, you get the familitary training and get good fitness in. Or to a lesser extent you could do airsoft. (or both, or any combination fo shooting sports or contact sport like paintballl and airsoft)

    Sadly i dont think there are very many detailed documentaries on MoD police training and AFO training in the U.K in general unlike military ones anyway.
     
  9. Hannibal

    Hannibal Angriest MAP resident.... Supporter

    For policing in the UK in general firearms training is no use upfront outside of weapon familiarity - not a prority, but fun. MOD should give you in house training above an beyond anyway

    Fitness wise focus on shuttle runs, pushups and crunches...add bodyweight exercises as you see fit

    Martial arts on subject control such as judo, wrestling and BJJ should be considered but again these are support options as there is an "approved" syllabus you will have to take for SCT

    Running sucks, but it is part of the PT so 3-5 miles at a reasonable pace should be a goal
     
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  10. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    There is a massive drive in the forces for BJJ, but you can do that once in, all the actual hands on training arrest training will be covered in house, I'd focus and getting in by being super fit before you focus on any MA.
     
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  11. hewho

    hewho Valued Member

    Thanks @Hannibal and @Dead_pool
    I'll retest my 5K (3.1mile) time on the hilly route in my town, and start to build it up after my next comp. Already averaging a few hundred crunches or variations a session, so happy there. Need more pressups, starting later today. Put my no gi on hold ATM, focusing on lifting, but would certainly get back into it!
     
  12. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    I would focus more on the fitness than MA to get in. I heard that you will get basic compliance training, but depending on the region, it is not likely the same level you'll find in martial arts class, much more observance and verbal skills are taught in that area.

    good luck with the running :D
     
  13. Mushroom

    Mushroom Goes well with everything Moderator Supporter

    5.4 on bleep test.

    Common sense-fu.

    Good luck!
     
  14. Alansmurf

    Alansmurf Back on the mats !! Supporter

    THE FITNESS TEST IS NOT THAT TAXING ...

    AS STATED ABOVE BY HANNIBAL SHROOM ETC

    Weapons training is done by the individual forces..

    Their officer safety training is limited and will work around empty hands ,handcuffs, batons, Taser and firearms

    Suggestions as above are correct running, general overall fitness / cardio

    I would stick with judo or JJJ also as suggested they will like you to stick to their techniques though as going off Piste is frowned upon

    Best of luck

    Smurf

    24.5
     
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  15. Mushroom

    Mushroom Goes well with everything Moderator Supporter

    Double Wrist Locks/Kimura works for handcuffing apparently.
     
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  16. hewho

    hewho Valued Member

    Cheers Smurf!
     
  17. Mushroom

    Mushroom Goes well with everything Moderator Supporter

    just to be clear...


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  18. Shmook

    Shmook Valued Member

    I'll echo what others have already said.

    The fitness test is a joke, 5.4 bleep test, plus a warm up first to around level 3. DT/OST whatever your force (service) calls it is also laughably poor. A few days a year is not a good training schedule.

    In reality, once you're in, running is a bonus, and some naughty types don't like to hang around for a chat.

    MA wise, forget fancy wrist locks/entanglements etc, you want something that regularly pressure tests, and is full contact. Rugby would be a good start as it teaches you to bring down a moving target that doesn't want to be stopped... :p

    To be honest, most cops I know don't supplement their police training with MA, any that do extra training usually do cardiovascular work - cycling or running - and work on their upper body in the gym.

    If you want to do a martial art that may help you on duty, I would suggest as mentioned judo, or BJJ :)
     
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  19. hewho

    hewho Valued Member

    Never was any good at rugby, but I wouldn't mind playing it now I've put on a couple of stone since school! Cheers Shmook!
     
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  20. Kemposhot

    Kemposhot Valued Member

    Not sure how it is in the U.K. But here in New York the physical standards aren't that strict. And once you're in, they're pretty much non existent. Leaving it up to individual officers to keep in shape.

    Furthermore Martial Arts is similar. I suggest arts that are more geared at controlling a suspect, Japanese Jiujitsu for example. Brazilian jiu-jitsu is good, but rolling on the ground with a gear belt on is quite painful (they had us try it.) I think you're making a great decision though and that it's very cool that you're interested in training and continuing to train once you're hired. Best of luck!
     
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