Kumite ( Doest it still exist/go on)

The Kumite that was portrayed in Bloodsport, i know it was real as Frank Dux the man the movie was based on is still alive and teaching MA. But what i want to know is do you think it still goes on today, if so were?

sry if i sound like a noob posting this but i was looking things up on MA for my senior project and Frank Dux's story kinda grabed my interest

 

Bloosport, hm - I don't think I've seen more than the last five minutes of that.

Kumite still exists in Karate, but I'll bet it's quite a bit different than whatever was in Bloodsport. Also, I don't know how closely it would actually be related to traditional Karate kumite.

 

yes i know about the karate kumite, but im mainly just talking about that traditional no holds barred kumite that was portrayed in the movie

lol the last five minutes are the best part of the movie any way

 

i think the UFC is the closest you'll get to kumite.

 

ur probably right

 

and its a great thing, watch it every chance you get.

 

lol, frank dux... right....

 

Please don't start this crap about Frank Dux and Ninjutsu, Siphus. That topic is not on debate here.

 

just because i hate to see ignorance and because its not even a debate- Frank Dux is one of the biggest frauds in martial arts.

 

How is that topic not on debate?!? The first posts states that he is basing all his information on the fact that since Frank Dux is a real person then the events portrayed in Bloodsport must be based on fact... The fact that almost universally throughout the MA world Frank Dux is considered to be at worst a ridiculous fraud and at best a fraud who may have some MA skills would seem to be a fair point to make for someone asking information on the kumite portrayed in bloodsport!

Anyway, to answer the question no I seriously doubt the "kumite" goes on today as its also severely unlikely that it ever took place in the past. There is "kumite" in traditional karate were it is some form of sparring/tournament but there is not a deadly martial arts tournaments where all the best fighters gather from different nations and fight using the style famous in their country a la streetfighter, unless of course you count the various MMA tournaments which are probably as close as you'll get.

 

vale tudo still goes on. it has less rules than any mma comp. it has caused many deaths within it's tournaments.

i guess that's why it's waning.

 

it was 72 wasnt it? yeah. 72 consecutive kos in one tournament- i find that pretty unlikely unless he was fighting a gang of toddlers.

 

I agree with all of you, probably the Dux story is either exagerated or else made up.
As for the UFC , I have just seen the highlights volume of UFC , and agree with you that the first editions of UFC are VERY close to the kumite that is portrayed in 'Bloodsport'. No rules, different fighting styles etc. However the recent UFC are mostly grappling fighters and lot of rules have been introduced...

 

Im sitting here laughing at the image of a guy in a ring with loads of toddlers getting chucked in with him one after the other.

I think I need therapy.

 

Here's a paragraph from the book by Frank Dux about his life as a spy

"After the outbreak of World War II, The Kokuryukai renamed the Parade of Death the Kumite (free sparring), and since 1950, the secret society's descendants have hosted the quasi-illegal international tournament every five years as a no-holds barred human cockfight. Its patrons, of course, tend to be fron the criminal element, and its participants enter only by invitation." (The Secret Man 1996:250, paragraph 2)

and Here are some articles on Frank Dux

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15731

http://martialarts.jameshom.com/library/weekly/aa073001a.htm

 

Hope these links help you with your senior project JunFan38463, Try and get hold of his book "the secret man." That would be the best source on the particular tournament your interested in, even if it was all made up.

 

kokuryukai? the black dragon society? the japanese equivalent of the chingpang of china? they'd be more interested in drug trafficking or money laundering or racketteering or gambling or plain jane extortion.

 

lol this is why i didnt even want to post this topic cause i knew it would make me look like an uniformed moron

oh well at least theres somewhat of a good debate going on

 

It must have been a large gang of toddlers, due to the fact that a single elimination tournament with 72 rounds would require:

4.7223664829e21 participants. For those not into scientific notation, that would be:
4,722,366,482,900,000,000,000 people participating in a secret underground tournament. Since there are only about 6,000,000,000 people on earth, everyone on earth would have needed to participate, and then they would only have had to recruit 4,722,366,482,994,000,000,000 nearby extra-terrestrials to fill out the rest of the bracket. I'm surprised they were able to keep such a large event secret.