JuJitsu (traditional) or Ninjutsu

Discussion in 'Ju Jitsu' started by Yuki-san, Jul 16, 2015.

  1. Yuki-san

    Yuki-san New Member

    I'm planning to start training in September.

    Which one in your opinion and experience is better for self-defense in real life (brutish moving enemy...enemies with a knife)?

    Please consider I'm female, so perhaps I need the one that relies more on skill than strength.

    Both clubs are legit.

    Also, what's your opinion on traditional Aikido? There's no club where I live atm, so I didn't mention it in the headline.
     
  2. David Harrison

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  3. Prizewriter

    Prizewriter Moved on

    I think it's also helpful to define "traditional Ju Jutsu".

    Most traditional Ju Jutsu in the UK is a poor mix of Karate, Judo and Aikido.

    Proper traditional Japanese Ju Jitsu is better known as Koryu and is incredibly hard to find in the UK.

    Do you have links for the websites of the clubs you were considering for better assessment?
     
  4. Prizewriter

    Prizewriter Moved on

    Aikido could be useful in a self protection situation, I have known people who have used it so. I have also known of one guy who got beat up after 10+ years of Aikido. There is a very steep learning curve with Aikido.

    That said, there are benefits you get from Aikido like improved focus, being mindful of your own movement and movement around you which can be very handy in avoiding a situation.
     
  5. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    If you're talking about learning to fight, as opposed to self-defence in the wider sense, then I feel it is essential at some point to be put under pressure, including being hit and hitting others, in an unscripted format.

    How common is that in Ju Jutsu, Ninjutsu, or Aikido classes?
     
  6. Yuki-san

    Yuki-san New Member

    Read it. Thank you. I've read other threads on the question I'm asking, but they turned into bickering, not much info and experience.

    Only fb page,not in English, but translation would be:
    'Japanese martial art entailing mostly combat without weapons'

    I've seen a demonstration and it seems to rely on knowing the 'flow' of body movement and countering the opponent by disrupting his. Not too much strength required.

    Ninjutsu classes that I attended for a short-while focus more on offense than aikido and sensei admitted that it can be tricky with a stronger and larger opponent.
     
  7. Kobudo

    Kobudo Valued Member

    Difficult one to answer, as Jujutsu or Ninjutsu aren't that specific?

    What style of Jujutsu is it? Which Organisation of Ninjutsu is it?


    Do you have links to the clubs you are talking about?
     
  8. Yuki-san

    Yuki-san New Member


    Not yet! It's not as common and immediate as irl, but certain patterns (attack, defense, counterattack) can be learned and put to use. I find it's a good starting point.
     
  9. Kobudo

    Kobudo Valued Member


    Funnily enough, I've actually seen this more in 'traditional' Jujutsu schools, than in more modern schools that advertise themselves as self defence.

    Not as much as you'd get boxing though!

    Never seen it in Ninjutsu though, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen
     
  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    None of them are particularly well suited to self protection in the short term. Long term skillsets may prove more adaptable

    "skill vs strength" is often debated, but I have yet to see a discipline that relies on strength rather than skill - perhaps Sumo emphasisies it a little, but even there skil dominates

    Forget knife defenses - most arts are utterly clueless and will probably get you killed. If someone pulls a knife then run away very fast
     
  11. Yuki-san

    Yuki-san New Member

    I've gathered and translated from the internet what I can about Ninjutsu club:

    Bujinkan Sojobo: Sojobo Dojo is martial art club with emphasis on traditional way of transmitting knowledge and practice.

    Entails 3 methods: Taihenjutsu, Dakentaijutsu, Jutaijutsu

    The founder of the art if follows was dr. Masaaki Hatsumi.

    Training consists of:
    Junan Undo, Junan Taiso, Taihenjutsu, Hitori Keiko and Futari Keiko

    It's not uncommon that they use weapons in training.

    Jujutsu:

     
  12. Prizewriter

    Prizewriter Moved on

    Shodokan/Tomiki Aikido has it to a certain extent as they do randori.

    JJ is a mixed bag.
     
  13. Prizewriter

    Prizewriter Moved on

    Sorry my mistake, I thought from your original post you were in the UK.
     
  14. Yuki-san

    Yuki-san New Member

    Sure, but what if I can't run away, dammit?
     
  15. Kobudo

    Kobudo Valued Member

    What Ninjutsu org did you train in?


    Just from my own experience, based in the little info to go on... if you want Jujutsu or Ninjutsu

    If it's a Koryu Jujutsu school, go there!

    Most of the good stuff in ninjutsu is actually koryu jujutsu / taijutsu anyway, but mixed up


    If not, Ninjutsu is probably your best bet, if you have a good instructor that actually understands fighting.

    If it's Bujinkan, this can be pot luck, posting the club on the ninjutsu forum will probably give you an idea of the credentials, there are some really good instructors, but also some really bad ones

    Genbukan is less pot luck, you'll basically get the same wherever you go, but again depends if the instructor really understands fighting properly

    I don't have experience of Jinenkan or To Shin Do so can't comment

    If it's none of the above - give it a miss, you'd be better off learning to run fast
     
  16. Yuki-san

    Yuki-san New Member


    Interesting.

    It's actually bujinkan and I went for a short while there. Instructor is very good.

    Details as mentioned in the above posts:

    Bujinkan Sojobo: Sojobo Dojo is martial art club with emphasis on traditional way of transmitting knowledge and practice.

    Entails 3 methods: Taihenjutsu, Dakentaijutsu, Jutaijutsu

    The founder of the art if follows was dr. Masaaki Hatsumi.

    Training consists of:
    Junan Undo, Junan Taiso, Taihenjutsu, Hitori Keiko and Futari Keiko

    It's not uncommon that they use weapons in training.
     
  17. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    These guys?

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  18. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Then you give them your wallet/purse/phone

    Chances of survival against a knife if you have your own knife are about 30% - Empty handed that percentage drops considerably.
     
  19. Yuki-san

    Yuki-san New Member

  20. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    I would not go there for self defense training
     

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