ITF and Chang Hon...Question!

Discussion in 'Tae Kwon Do' started by Spookey, Aug 5, 2005.

  1. Spookey

    Spookey Valued Member

    Dear All,

    I am wondering how many of you all learn and / or teach the four direction thrust. Just until recently I was unaware that many students are not taught this "fundamental exercise".

    Do you guys learn this movement set and if so at what grade is it taught?

    Thoughts and opinions...

    TAEKWON!
    Spookey
     
  2. Smokemare

    Smokemare ITF TKD 2nd Dan


    We do 4 directional punch and 4 driectional block. I've never heard of the thrust one before - it's not in my edition of the condensed encyclopedia... Or at least I didn't think it was... Can you describe it for us? When was it introduced/omitted?
     
  3. neryo_tkd

    neryo_tkd Valued Member

    is it possible that we are talking about the same thing but using different words?

    we learn/teach the attack/block combination if 4 directions. what technique and what block is used varies. we are a WTF school and that is our first 'form' so to speak. you have to know it for higher white belt, then for lower yellow belt you do the first taegeuk.

    are we talking about the same thing?
     
  4. rtkddevil

    rtkddevil Valued Member

    In our school of Rhee Tae Kwon Do (Australia), we teach 4 directional punch (Saju-Jirugi) to all 10th grade, we teach the first of the Hyungs at 9th grade being Chong-Ji. We train the original TKD style Hyungs in RHEE TKD as we have since the late 1960's when our organization was established by Master Chong Chul Rhee.
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2005
  5. gemtkd

    gemtkd Valued Member

    We do saju makgi, saju jirugi and saju chagi (sometimes) I haven't heard of 4 directional thrust though.

    Can you explain it please Spookey? :)
     
  6. Smokemare

    Smokemare ITF TKD 2nd Dan

    We've done variations of Saju Chagi, but I don't think they are official versions. What is your Saju Chagi like? Where does that come from?
     
  7. TheMadhoose

    TheMadhoose Carpe Jugulum

    as far as my experience within the ITF 4 years worth we only practiced saju makgi and jurigi- any others are usualy made up by the instructors
     
  8. Stewart

    Stewart Valued Member

    TAGB teach Sajo Jirugi 1 and 2 (same attack but changing the block from low block to middle block)

    I previously trained in ITF style and I was taught Sajo Makgi. In both organisations these were taught at 10th kup and are taught as and exercise for bogy movement and body control

    I would interested to know what some of the others are and what techniques are used
     
  9. Lithanwif

    Lithanwif Human Punchbag

    Bonus points for using Rhee so many times in one paragraph?

    Are you guys linked to Rhee Ki Ha in the Uk then?
     
  10. rtkddevil

    rtkddevil Valued Member

    I do my best, it’s the devil in me.

    No RTKD Australia is not associated to the UK's Master Rhee Ki Ha, however I believe Rhee Chong Chul & Rhee Ki Ha share a very similar pedigree, both trained in the Korean military leaving Korea in the mid sixties to spread TKD around the world.
     
  11. Kwajman

    Kwajman Penguin in paradise....

    I've never heard of that before in 5.5 years in TKD. It must be a federation thing or something. Can you explain the movements to me? We may know it by a different name.
     
  12. rtkddevil

    rtkddevil Valued Member

    check this link out
    http://gt-uk.net/tkd_info/patterns/saju-jirugi.asp
     
  13. gemtkd

    gemtkd Valued Member

    Your in gunnun jumbi sogi and do front rising kicks round one way then the other.

    It's not offical but the grading panel sometimes makes white belts do it to mix it up a bit
     
  14. TkdWarrior

    TkdWarrior Valued Member

    saijo jirugi/magki four direction block/pattern. in white belt.. then there are steps 1-4

    Kwaj it's the first 2 small basic forms in ITF patterns. check the figure in the above link

    -TkdWarrior-
     
  15. Spookey

    Spookey Valued Member

    Four Direction Thrust...

    Dear All,

    I had never looked for this exercise in the Encyclopedia prior to having asked this question. My instructor commonly uses it and therefore I wondered how many other ITF-Chang Hon people utilized this directional exercise. Having spoken with him he explained that it was a common training exercise utilized by many instructors of the Oh Do Kwan and that it carried over into the instruction of many of their first generation instructors. However, it is not a "Formal Fundamental Exercise".

    Some of you may have seen it and / or may have some interest in its purpose though! Below is a brief description of the exercise!

    The exercise is done in both directions as is the "four direction punch and block". Beginning from a parallel ready stance you will preform a sliding side elbow thrust to the right...then in quarter intervals (just as four direction punch and block) you will repeat the technique. Starting again to the left side ...wash, rinse, repeat!

    Thanks for the feedback!

    TAEKWON!
    SPookeY
     
  16. phae

    phae New Member

    4 directional thrust (saju tulgi) used to be part of the ITF grading syllabus (not sure for which grade, but blue belt rings a bell). You are basically performing side elbow thrust in L-stance (niunja so yop palkup tulgi), rotating anti-clockwise on the left foot whilst in right L-stance and using right elbow first time round, then switiching.

    Crappy description, but hope it helps.
     
  17. TheMadhoose

    TheMadhoose Carpe Jugulum

    According to the UKTA ITF syllabus there is no 4d thrust are you sure it wans partof your NGB's syllabus rather than the ITF's
     
  18. oni_sensei

    oni_sensei Valued Member

    You'll find that you can adapt pretty much any technique into a "four-directional" exercise.
     
  19. Mandras

    Mandras Eats Ninjas For Breakfast

    Hiya Spookey,

    I train ITF TKD and we occasionally perform saji tulgi(not sure 'bout the spelling), which sounds exactly like the exercise Madhouse described.

    From parallel ready stance we turn and slide straight backwards in l-stance with side elbow thrust(so that you're now looking in the opposite direction from which you started) before continuing on in the other directions.

    hope this helps
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2005
  20. Spookey

    Spookey Valued Member

    Dear Guys...

    Hello to all,

    I am drawn on this one because...

    I cannot find it listed in any of the official training material, but I believe I have seen it there before. Also, my Instructor came from a period in time when the whole "NGB" thing wasnt quite so organized as more recent times. He is not one to teach something that is not core unless he states..."in Judo, or Shorin Ryu X technique is applied this way"

    Regarless, I believe this is a great exercise. Generally trained (by those who use it) around the 3rd Kup as preperation for the movement in pattern Hwa Rang at the 2nd Gup!

    TAEKWON!
    SPooKeY
     

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