Inner power and superhuman abilities

Of course not. Neutral means that we understand each other standpoint. If someone does not agree with breathing exercise method that's fine. But if someone started to make a statement that this method is a false claim, cheating etc. then that's already entering serious issues here. They have to prove their statement as well. That statement is already a legal issue here.

You can't rely only on one James Randi website then make a statement that Merpati Putih school method is false, by denying that MP is one of nine the biggest Pencak Silat in Indonesia. So do you judge that we are cheating thousands of members there and hundreds of member around the world? Do you think I'm also a victim of this method?

Are we cheating Indonesian Special Forces by our method?

We started to extend the benefits of breathing exercises to help blinds which are not related to martial arts only. It is for the sake of improvement the blinds life quality. What's wrong with this idea? Is it a fake claim? No, we already proved it.

Simon statement that we are selling false claim for money. This is totally wrong.

We proposed to Victoria Multi Culture Affair to support the experiment in a control condition in regards to our Blinds Program. They have no funds to do that but suggest us to train first some blinds person to prove the result. Then propose it to Blinds Organisation.

Then, we offered a program free training for the blinds. However, we stop that program, because each blind person should accompany by one of their family or guard. The family should do the training as well, to help the blind doing the exercise. It is not easy for the family or guard to do that. Melbourne is a big city; it is costly for them to do so.

MP USA in Utah they are lucky. A Blind Organisation there supports that program. Utah is a small city, much easier for them to arrange that program.

 

You know rationally and legally you can't prove a negative right?

I 100% belive that you cannot break the laws of physics, so it's either you lack the insight into why your claims are impossible (which you've already admitted) or you Know they're impossible, and sell your classes knowing that........

So it's ignorance not maliciousnes.....

Your still irresponsible to teach it as a women's self defence class.

Deeply irresponsible.

 

The burden of proof is on you, mate.

Your art looks like yellow bamboo had a baby with KSW and don't look now, but I think it's soiled it diapers.

 

Also someone doesn't understand the word neutral.......

 

I do see your PoV....you want to con people and be given free rein to do so without being called out on your crap


Unlike Simon I am less careful -

Like every other (person making dubious claims) you run from light and like every other rep from your organisation you claim that which you cannot prove because its utter bilge but then get all precious when people call you on it

(mode deletion- let's not get so personal in our critiques ok?).....use vibravision to avoid it if you like

 

So silat bebas, lots of videos on YT, they all seem like low level mma, which is fine.





From what I can tell, it's an open competition.

I can't find any MerpatiPutih competing in it?

 

> You claim that you can "feel" colours without the sense of vision

>We say "That souunds impossible, prove it!"

> You say watch these videos!

>We say "No, show us under proper test conditions!

> You are SUPPOSED to say "Okay, set me some parameters"

>You actually said "No it works! You saw the video!"

And now we are basically going around in circles.

 

So I've just read page one, done and dusted, thread over....

Unless they keep on defending the indefensible....

Charging the blind as well for this hokum...... It really really irks me.....

 

This is a logical fallacy, known as an appeal to common practice. The James Randi Foundation have performed the only independent study of vibravision claims that I have seen. So yes, until more independent studies are performed with proper experimental controls, the JRF experiments are the only data we can rely on.

Perhaps if your claims for vibravision couldn't be easily reproduced by stage magic techniques, you would have a stronger case.

This is a logical fallacy known as an appeal to authority. For your statement to have more validity, you would need to back it up with evidence for your claims. Perhaps you have a Kopassus officer on record as saying that their unit no longer requires night vision goggles because they now use vibravision? Something like that.

Then this thread would be a lot easier for you if you could link to the independent studies into vibration that have already proved it is a real phenomenon. No-one here will argue with repeated, independent studies published in peer-reviewed journals. Where can we find them?

Let me get this straight; you applied for money from the state to train blind people. Specifically, you applied for grants from the Victorian Multicultural Commission, which I note is not a medical body. The Victorian Multicultural Commission told you that you would need some proof that this training programme for the blind actually does anything before they gave you taxpayer's money. You then offered a pilot scheme to attract funding, but you were unwilling to train any support workers or guardians, which you insisted on, without them paying you fees for training.

I think you would look more charitable of you hadn't mentioned any of that, to be honest.

 

Seeing as training in Silat can give someone superhuman strength I look forward to 5'2" indonesian people winning the heavy weight weight lifting, wrestling, Judo at major championships and world strongest man/woman.
I won't hold my breath.

For all claims of superhuman abilities (chi, ki, etc) I apply the "olympic rule". If a nation could train people to have superhuman abilities in a way that was perfectly legal, or untraceable with current tests, under olympic rules they would use that method to create olympic champions (in the same way eastern block countries tried to do when they used PED's). That's what we'd see in the real world if such methods and abilities were real.
If I don't see a disproportionate amount of champions from countries claiming such methods then I dismiss them as bogus.

As it stands Jamaica seems to have a better grasp of creating superhuman running speed and East African nations seem to have a better grasp on superhuman endurance than Indonesia possesses.

 

Apologies, the above is incorrect.

the Victorian Multicultural Commission told you they would not give you money under any circumstances, but suggested that if you had proof of efficacy, charities for the blind might give you money.

...which is even worse.

 

Although I am not at all convinced with the style of Merpati Putih, i do agree with Monchu that neither of you guys are trying to be any type of reasonable. But, it's easy to attack with a bunch of guys a controversial system as Merpati Putih, which by the way is indeed practiced by the Indonesian Special Forces. Don't know for what but it does give them some merit.

I have seen over the years several people here who train super sophisticated, scientifically proven, dangerous, full contact combat, close combat or kravmaga-ish systems which all claim to be the be all end all of Martial Arts, which offcourse is mostly just inflated marketing blah blah. Talking about bio-mechanics all the time, whilst having no clue to stand properly on your feet with some skinny untrained legs...

Truth is on both sides of the medal, be it spiritually, or to become a dangerous martial arts warrior in the weekend in just a half year, both try to follow the 'superman-path' as i like to call it. Truth is, 99.9% is not and will never be. Just visited a system which just is taugh by guys who already were Krav Maga full instructors, talking about how brutal and offensive in their tactics they were. And all the students were claiming equally lethalness, whilst a small knuckle hit on the chin already made them cry and mention that they needed to go to work next day. Same goes for some Systema instructors I met in the past. Wearing camouflage pants, looking angry, training with Vladimir Vasiliev in person, talking tough, but with one simple hit on the forearm ready to quit.

Now i'm no guru, not at all, just a student, all I'm saying is that big talking is not just reserved for Spiritually inclined martial arts. I've seen too many MMA-ish or CloseCombat-ish stuff that was just bad jiu jitsu with different marketing.

So sometimes, just sometimes you need to listen to people. Silat is NOT MMA as we all know it. Should it be? Hell no, we already have MMA for that. But if you don't like Silat as a Martial Art, just steer clear from this SILAT forum, and hug some fellow KravMaga, JKD or MMA guys in another forum and see how you agree with all of them. But no, that's probably too boring...

Silat has a load of different styles in it. Most are probably unknown to the west. Heck, a lot of what i see is just JKD guys claiming to know Silat, which boils down to some sweeps and ground stuff. That is some 'Silat-ish' techniques, not nearly close to practicing Silat.

Give the guy a bit of a break, if only for a bit...

 

Hahahhahahahaa

Give him a break because krav and systema are also Bullshido........

The guy charges the blind to see, with quantum waves.... and obviously doesn't teach them to see, maybe if you think that's OK, you need to a have a long hard look at yourself.......

He's also uses the MMA events to promote his style.... And yet his style is not found entering said event.......

More Bullshido

 

Well Dead_pool if they train blind people to be able to walk around in the house and that works for them, i'm definitely ok with it. I don't care in what way they do it. And we are all grown ups, blind people can make grown-up decisions to follow a style or not. For children this is different though and i would be careful to train too many children since they are gullible.

The guy didn't say they could cure blind people, at least that's not what i read. If he would do that i would strongly object.



So what style you practice Dead_pool?

 

They don't actually teach the blind to see, It's super obviously a scam, If you can't see how that's a scam, I've got some magic beans for sale.

I'm currently a BJJ purple belt, and judo brown belt. I've been training a few years though, so my Bullshido detector is set to high.

 

From Page one, their seeing without eyes scam, tested, and found to be a scam.

 

Their claiming to be able to teach how to see without using the eyes.

That is fraudulent.

 

Get a grip.

You can set up as many false dichotomies as you like to attempt to frame people's objections against a scale of 'hardcore brah' or 'inner dolphin' training perspectives but what is actually happening is people are repulsed by the intellectual dishonesty, fraudulence and irresponsibility of the organisation.

They are selling a lie and it's fair game to call that out publicly.