If Attacked where do you strike

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  1. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    IMHO. It is not only your safety that you should be concerned with. :cool:
     
  2. Jiu JitsuNation

    Jiu JitsuNation Valued Member

    I find it easier to put them to sleep. Everyone goes night night with a choke. Then you can walk to your car in peace. True story BTW.
     
  3. Jiu JitsuNation

    Jiu JitsuNation Valued Member

    Awesome!

    The lion toys with the mouse that crosses his path. Anything more would mar his fearsome reputation.

    Just thought you might like that.
     
  4. RhadeConstantin

    RhadeConstantin King of Badasses

    true, but if there is more than one assailant or the assailant is armed then going to the ground isn't a good idea, striking would be better. granted that knife defense is incredibly difficult and even a striker will get cut, but the less time you are in range and contact the more likely you are to get cut. a boxer who feints, jab and generally stays out of range is less likely to get knifed than a someone who takes the opponent to the ground. theres a very high chance that either you or he will get stabbed.
     
  5. Jiu JitsuNation

    Jiu JitsuNation Valued Member

    You are underestimating BJJs efficiency standing. When you toss the first guy on his head everyone else second guesses coming in. Also a true story. It's difficult to keep going when you have been dropped on your face, neck or shoulder in the parking lot. And I will never be found in a situation where i'm alone. unless i'm carjacked or some extreme circumstance in which it doesn't matter what you know because someone got the jump on you and has the upper hand with a weapon.

    I agree with the weapons. A sharp mind should keep those situations to a minimum. Most people go through life without ever being in a fight! A great majority of the population in fact. And even less who have been in a fight will ever encounter a weapon. Although I have had knives pulled on me and a gun twice. It was my head and way with words and the situation that got me out. Not martial arts.

    And did I mention I have done martial arts my whole life I just fell in love with BJJ?
     
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2010
  6. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Typical of BJJers. They wany to defend that going to the ground is the best defense. Or that the ground game is the shizzle.

    That said, I would think that one should have a aresenal of methods and these should be automatic and responsive to the situation. Therefore, because it is the situation causing the defense-response, no one can state what they would, could, should, do, because a situation had not unfolded.
     
  7. Jiu JitsuNation

    Jiu JitsuNation Valued Member

    I never said anything about going to the ground. The contrary actually. I got back to my feet where I would be more mobile and more able to defend myself against more than one person. I never once tried to say that anything I've read in the past 7 pages wouldn't work. I believe however those of you that responded defensively without provocation have a fear of being taken to the ground and being at ones mercy once there. I support everyone in what they do and was only contributing to the post.
     
  8. 7heTexanRebel

    7heTexanRebel Valid Member

    I'm a newbie, so I would throw tons of punches to the face. Then tackle them and go for a choke or ground'n'pound.
     
  9. slickoneuk

    slickoneuk Member Supporter

    Squishy or bendy areas. Eyes nose throat groin or knees elbows etc. Hit hard and hit true
     
  10. RhadeConstantin

    RhadeConstantin King of Badasses

    sure, but the point is that BJJ's major focus is on groundwork. I'm not saying that there is nothing in BJJ that is applicable to self defense situation but a major part of it isn't.. and usually when people attack in group's they tend to rush their target and attack simultaneously so it makes it difficult to throw one of them because the others aren't going to wait for you to throw their buddy. plus when you are in the process of throwing someone you are extremely vulnerable to strikes from the others.

    I'm going to respectfully disagree with you here.what you know (or don't know) is incredibly important even when an armed assailant jumps you. saying that all training is negated by a surprise armed attack isn't very accurate.


    precisely the point, you got up to your feet in order to be able to defend yourself better, but the major focus of BJJ is on groundwork. Now this isn't just about BJJ but generally any style based on groundwork is largely inapplicable in a self defense situation.
    plus the best self defense technique (and indeed the whole point of self defense) is running,getting away.
    Going to the ground isn't conducive to that.
    now I know that even after going down you can get up but even so going to the ground hinders your ability to flee.
    considering the fact that most self def situations are over in less than a minute your window of opportunity may not last long enough for you to get away if you're on the ground. just my take on it.
     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2010
  11. kc245

    kc245 New Member

    Usually I would block their strike and go right for his throat and then to the side of his head.
     
  12. Nathaniel Cooke

    Nathaniel Cooke Valued Member

    Adrenalie is a very effective pain killer, so sometimes areas that just cause pain aren't quite enough. I would focus on three approaches:

    Take away the ability to breathe - this way an opponent can't get enough oxygen to their muscles and, in a dynamic fight situation, will quickly run out of energy as a result. Punch up in to the solar plexus with an upturned fist to present the knuckle, at a 30 degree angle, or a decent knee straight in there. Or as has been mentioned earlier, the throaght. I wouldn't punch or you'll be in more trouble that the guy who attacked you and just maybe up on a manslaughter charge - remember, proportional and reasonable force is all that is allowed by the courts!

    Take away their ability to see - if he can't focus on you he can't continue the attack. Also, protecting the eyes is a very deeply rooted urge in all of us, from our caveman days where if we lost our eyesight we were one very dead caveman. If you attack someone's eyes it is almost impossible for them not to flinch and be distracted from their cause of action. A flicking motion, as if you were flicking water off your finger tips, is often enough when aimed in to an eyeball. Or a paml strike upwards to the nose, to make the eyes water. One particularly nasty technique I was once taught was to use fingernails to slash at the forehead, so blood ran down in to eyes. Yuk. Not to everyone's taste, but I guess it depends how serious the situation is - when your life's in danger, all bets are off I guess!

    Lastly, and this has also been mentioned before, take away the ability for someone to persue you - since after all, your prime focus should be to escape as quickly and safely as possible, not injure. If you prime focus it to injure you are no better than your attacker. So, kick kneecaps or if you can get round to the side stamp down behind the knee, having the twin effect of slaming the kneecap in to the ground, and forcing your attacker to get up again before giving chase, giving you a head start. A good knee to the nuts will also stop someone in their tracks, giving time to escape.

    The centre line then - eyes, throaght, plexus, balls. But as others have said, no answer will be 100% true 100% of the time so train for the unexpected, that way you won't be so surprised when it happens! And practice getting hit, so you are able to react and don't go in to adrenaline shock or freeze.

    Sorry got a bit carried away there, that's a bit of an essay - hope it helps!
     
  13. seiken steve

    seiken steve golden member

    The attacker.
     
  14. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    If Attacked where do you strike?


    The attacker :woo::hat:
     
  15. Happy Feet Cotton Tail

    Happy Feet Cotton Tail Valued Member

    Thats precisely his point, were YOU on the ground, you probably wouldn't have gotten to your feet nearly as fast, hell if there were other people there.

    At all.

    Besides, plenty of 1-1 fights in this world, and situations where the real problem is that no one will come help when it hits the ground.

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    To answer the O.P.

    I can't make any claims of certainty, but to cover all bases.

    Anything that's available, each one multiple times if possible. Isn't that realisticly what we all would try to do?
     
  16. Gerlock

    Gerlock Valued Member

    I look for any opening in the persons defence and strike there, if they defend where I have struck and leave another point open I strike there. If no opening can be found...roundhouse.
     
  17. RhadeConstantin

    RhadeConstantin King of Badasses

    Firstly, you can never be sure for how long a 1 on 1 fight will remain 1 on 1, in my (limited) experience, I've seen several fights that start out as 1 on 1 but don't stay that way since someone or the other usually joins in.

    Additionally, he took the fight to the ground himself, which I feel is a bad idea, which is why he needed to get up so the only reason he needed to use that speed was because of what he did. If he hadn't taken the fight to the floor there would be no need to get up and the question of speed doesn't arise. Now I know you can always get taken down against your will, but that's what takedown defenses are for, aren't they? 1 on 1 or multiples, in any kind of situation the ground is not a good place to be.
     
  18. Happy Feet Cotton Tail

    Happy Feet Cotton Tail Valued Member

    Take down defences defend you from takedowns, not from tripping over a curb, being knocked down before the fight starts or getting caught by a haymacker and losing it for a second.

    No one is saying that you should be on the ground in a multiple scenario, but fact is being on the ground in a 1-1 isn't that bad. Notall fights are street brawls in a crowd of drunks. There are other situations, someone comes to your house to confront you, you catch a burglar trying to get into your home, you are attacked in the middle of an empty industrial area of the city you live in.

    There are plenty of moments in life where you are quite isolated so much so that snapping a quick scarf choke on for 4 seconds till he passes out may be a much better idea that trying to punch him out.
     
  19. RhadeConstantin

    RhadeConstantin King of Badasses

    But keeping your eyes open definitely helps. Besides training in stand up striking greatly reduces the chances of a haymaker catching you

    I completely agree but only if there is some kind of guarantee where a fight will stay one on one, in my experience this is rarely the case, someone's friend or the other usually intervenes.

    Maybe, But I would be unwilling to risk the my life and that of my family on a hunch that the guy has no accomplices and as I've said before, there's really no guarantee of it.

    Well I prefer the punch out,since there is no real way of knowing whether you're isolated or not.More often than not you may initially be confronted with just a single individual who has friends waiting.
    but each to his own. I respect your methods even if I do not agree with them fully and I'm sure you'll respect mine. To me it seems that groundwork would be useful in a tiny percentage of confrontations while stand up striking is more effective self defense wise But hey i've been doing Krav Maga and Muay Thai for the past couple of months so maybe it's cause of that.
     
  20. Happy Feet Cotton Tail

    Happy Feet Cotton Tail Valued Member

    1. You're ignoring the point, the point is going to the ground is not always a choice, you can get caught, you can trip, you can be jumped.

    2. I've never been in a one on one that has gone on long enough to go to the ground, but I've seen plenty of videos of one on one fights, where no one steps in even when both people are rolling on the floor.

    Self defense is full of risky decisions. And one advantage of ground-fighting is that most people can trade blows better than they can defend themselves from a joint lock. These are decisions that need to be made when weighing up a scenario. Ground fighting has been practised as a war art, it's not like it's a purely hypothetical sport excersise.

    3. Grazie and same to you (as expected) :)
     

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