How do you teach Krav maga without it becoming a complete disaster?

Krav maga is interesting but how does one teach it without it becoming a complete disaster?

What I mean by this is that (to quote my instructor). "I encourage people to spar to test out their techniques and see if they work, and sparring with striking arts and rolling with bjj allows you to do that." However, with Krav Maga, how could you even spar since all the techniques are basically cheap shots like eye gouges, fish hooks, kicks to the knees, kicks to the groin, etc? Also, the biggest question is how do you realistically teach gun disarms? I mean, really if someone teaches a correct way to do a jab and that person does it wrong in a street fight, then oh well, they get a black eye and maybe if they are really unlucky a broken jaw. However, if someone is mugging you and you do a gun disarm wrong, then you're dead, GAME OVER! Also, from my understanding, most grappling styles will make you do various throws, various submissions, and things of the sort, and then when you get really advanced they might teach you something lethal like how to snap someone's neck. However, from my understanding, krav teaches you this pretty early on, so if your new students do spar, how do they keep from killing one another? I'm not trying to criticize krav, I just want to know how instructors teach and still manage to avoid these issues?

 

Damn! He is good...I wish I could train with him

 

Yeah, that's how they train headbutts in my school as well as elbows. Instructor says they are too devastating to allow in sparring.

I wish someone could legitimately teach me weapon disarms though (gun disarms in particular). I just don't know how you would train them for them to be effective. After all, I hit the pads, and hit the bag and move my body the way the instructor wants, but then once sparring sets in, I get about half of it right and screw up the rest. The fear messes up my technique and I must learn to train through the fear. Actually getting decked in the face, is very very close to an actual street fight where you get slammed in the face. However, I just can't see how you could simulate actually getting mugged in an alley and trying to take away their gun? I have been robbed at gun point before and it was utterly terrifying. You literally have no idea if you will live or die. I just don't see how to simulate this.

 

People never rob you in these cute little ways that many martial arts instructors like to teach you. I was robbed at gunpoint in June. I came out of my apartment, a guy then ran at me, pushed a gun into my lower stomach and pressed it firmly into my side, and his friend was right next to him in case I tried anything. I don't see how I could have disarmed his Ruger if it was pressed so firmly in my side.

 

Is there anything that I could have done in this type of situation to have stopped in from happening? I'm not going to lie, I keep going back in forwards in my mind thinking, "What if he had pulled the trigger?"

 

And that's the reason why every good instructor will tell you, when being held at gunpoint give them what they want.
"And if they want your underwear, they get it" how my teacher said.

If they're standing at a distance you can't do anything anyway - they will shoot, before you're close enough.

So you could only try something in case they're really close - and that's dangerous as hell, of course, either.

You don't get guarantees that you'll win a fistfight, because you do MA; but lots of people expect that guarantee when it comes to knives, guns and other weapons.
I'll never get that.

Two of my former teachers are with the police/ customs, so carry a gun due to their job, and they said as well: Give them what they want, only try to defend yourself when you see, they're killing you either way.


More topic: Why should KM have more difficulties training such things as other arts, that include those techniques?

 

1) Yeah so really gun disarms are very hard to do then and can only be done in very rare circumstances. I see.

2) What about knife disarms? Are those any easier?

3) The reason I would assume Krav would be hard to teach is that the bread and butter of it is dirty tricks and actual weapon disarms. How would you spar like that and actually make the techniques feel real. Ok in Muay Thai they teach elbow strikes and they don't want you to use those in sparring? But 90% of the techniques are ok to use in sparring. I just wonder how you would retain the material if you never use it under pressure?

 

EXACTLY!!!!!

The answer is you don't retain it.

 

See now what if I see the person has a weapon (like a lot of dudes have a pocket knife that you clearly see on their side) and what if they haven't drawn it yet, but you know that if things got nasty they very well could draw it?

Well that's my biggest issue with most krav schools. Even with Muay Thai, I learn the techniques then they work well in class, then as soon as you get hit hard, it's back to sloppy haymakers which leave you wide open to attack.

 

Those bits of class where you are getting rocked in the face... That's the training. That's the pressure.

 

Muay Thai is as legit as it gets. If I could train just one Martial Art, it'd be Muay Thai (I'm just doing boxing atm so not biased). See below video, that's how a good muay thai sparring session should look like. Oh, and a good Boxer/kickboxer/muay thai boxer would butcher an opponent with "deadly techniques" training for the "streets".

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-tnU-bJbGE"]Muay Thai How to Spar Tutorial - YouTube[/ame]

 

true dat!

 

Yep, that's what I am currently taking.

But it seems like being robbed at gunpoint would bring that level of pressure to a whole new level. Don't you think?

 

Absolutely. I was just speaking in the context of your statement about your entrained skills disappearing upon contact.