How do you minimize the risk of injury in loaded marches

The point quoted: Irrleivent.

As for a general reply

I am repating or typing this once, My nail, "excuses" what ever is irrelevant to the question i asked, the question being the risks, finer details and tips&trciks in loaded marches and how to mitigate them. Its an assumption that i would be doing it tomorrow or sticking a bergen with 30kilos on my back and running to the next village. I am not stupid enough to go from 0-100 exercise level and its hard to tell me whats too much as its diffrent for everyone anyway. (I dont think im capable of 30kilos anyway)I made no active "excuses" for not going running, i was engaing in jokes/conversations about my nail in response to a bad foot by deadpool, as far as i am concered all that about the nail is banter/jokes/discussion. (the nail isnt even the worse of the reasons)

(ignoring the training while injuried thing, may reply to it and do a general thing in the morning, its noted)

General statement, i avoid these topics as i have no evidence, would be unwilling to provide it if its too personal and i have no need/view to prove myself to people in general i dont know. (no disrespect if any can be taken) I will make a general statmenet of what i do, i am not able to or willing to provide evidence so it can be dismissed and i dont care if it is on that basis: I do GTUK TKD on and off, have not done it for a while, no exact date as i didnty note when i started or ledt and i have a bad sense of date these days. I would estimate stopped sometime last year and have not done it at all this year. I have regressed to doing exercise to once a week or a month if i am lucky, i have started to gourge on sugar etc, i do however walk everywhere i go. every factor which makes something an inconvenience makes it less enjoyable to do which makes me want to stop doing it. Regression in ability counts towards that as well, i am a pessimist also. I didnt plan on taking up running anytime soon and the point of the question as out of intrest and to get more detail into walking/runnign distances with varying weights.

I appreciate all the links for running etc and i have actually looked into them, so if i ever want to start/can start i have sources to go on. Also no disrespect intended its 1:55AM, and there are only so many times i am willing to blank a reply and i generally cant formulate arguments in that fashion well let alone at this time. (and no it couldnt wait until morning)

Looking orward to replies regarding stresses given to joints.

 

All I hear are excuses, if you don't want to train, just say so, but you pretend that you do, and then make excuses, after people go to the time and effort of helping you.

 

It's not, as you used it as a major reason not to train and now your being surprised that it gets criticized.

Then you don't even have to start anything, because there will be inconveniences, and more then once!
Getting past inconveniences is part of the game and if it makes you stop hobbies you just as well could keep avoid starting anything.

Mentioning it in the way you did, by the way, just smooths the way for the next excuses.

If you want something, you'll find a way.
If you don't want something, you'll find excuses.


And +1 for Dead_pool: If you ask questions in a way, that make people assume you want to start something, but don't actually want to - just mention it!
Otherwise people waste their time in answering a certain way.
People who just are curious about something theoretically get others answers as practitioners would get.

 

This thread is horrible.

With the notable exception of Anwolf, it reads like a bunch of people who get off on a belittling gang-up on someone who already has problems with motivation that are likely deep-seated and not trivial.

Regardless, Rataca100 is not the only person who might read this thread. It could have served as a good resource for people around the world for years to come. Instead it's 3 pages of, let's face it, bullying a vulnerable person and boasting about training with injuries. I wouldn't be surprised if Rataca100 has been put off MA for life.

For what it's worth regarding the OP, no sane civilian should have to lug more than 30lbs in order to carry their life on their back. Military loads are an unnecessary injury risk. How you pack (pack centre of gravity should be toward top), how your pack attaches to you (tight but not uncomfortably restrictive, hip straps are a must, soft metal inserts that mould to your back are good) and footwear (advice will depend on whether you are wearing military boots, hiking boots or hiking trainers, but you have to break them in properly before walking under load) are the most important kit details. Anwolf has already outlined training advice to build up to it.

 

Put off what won't get started anyway is status quo

The advice of "don't" was also put out early on too, but like so often people asking for advice dont want it so they argue otherwise without actually having any experience with which to do so and consequently there is a shift in tone

No threas exists in a vacuum either so it isnt as if patterns of behavior don't get replicated in identical mannerz elsewhere.

There comes a point where "crap or get off the pot" springs to mind. I have had someone message me again this week for what is the 8th time in 12 months saying they are coming training with me...my reply this time was "I doubt it" and i added that talk is cheap but money buys whiskey

 

Didn't mean to lump you in, Han. The quote you posted wasn't a motivation killer, and hopefully it was taken in the spirit it was posted in.

It was the back-patting circle of insults and "look how determined I am, you're pathetic in comparison" that struck me as beyond counter-productive and into narcissistic bullying territory. This is, as you say, not considering this thread in a vacuum but in the context of someone who has previously declared mental health issues and would appear to have motivational barriers beyond laziness. Even if it were plain laziness, the pile-on technique is not for the benefit of the OP, but only for the amusement and ego of those posting.

"There but for the grace of God go I" is how I tend to view things. Not many people find ridicule and belittling motivating. If empathy is too much of an effort, then the next best response is to ignore.

 

There's no need to go heavier than what you'd intend on carrying in an emergency situation/hiking, and it's always best to start off light and work your way up.

David Harrison has some good points on kit prep, and I agree 100% with the rest of his post.

Training with injuries is just as daft as going rucking for no reason, it's certainly not something to brag about, and it isn't cool or tough.

 

Opinion of wearign a weighted vest while walking around? I was considering doing that to build up muscles. Nothing special just walking where i usually go with a vest on.

Also, i would probably do it in military styled boots, was going to ask for a pair of alt bergs for Christmas or as a present not for anything particular though. The woes of size 12-13 feet and not knowing of any cheap brands. All my shoes until my most recent pair of trainers have been brandless. (starting to think i am a in-between size, which makes it even more annoying to find shoes)

Just for the record, most of my inquires on this was directed at soldiers via discord. I will be scrolling back to re read Anwolf's comments now.

Im going to look like some horrible mutant of a chav and a tactitard. XD

 

I would say from my view, my examples were put out as a way to show how you can do it if you need to push yourself to do it, not to brag - if it were to brag then it would be able the time you could run a distance in, or how much weight you could lift with some injuries.

I have had discussions with people like the OP in my lifetime about hobbies that they showed interest in - in all instances, they did not get into anything with unless you showed them how it could be done despite the reasons they used to stop them, some went on to try various things and are still going as a result.
To say you have had the same issue is empathetic, and that you were able to run or whatever hobby regardless of the mutual ailment, is better than ignoring. It's the definition of Empathy to say you experience the same.
I've met many people who said they couldn't run because of the weather, or other excuses, I said I did and I have asthma, then we went on to run regularly in whatever the weather as they saw that it was possible.

Coming back to the recent question - walking with weighted load - I'm sure I've seen advice recently on this before. You should build it up gradually over a long time after having established distance running/walking under your belt; by established I mean over months even years as it will take time for your tendons, ligaments, bones and muscles to adapt.

 

Not gonna read the whole thread but...train for what you want to achieve.
If you need to be able to march long distances with kit and/or weed out the weak people from a group of recruits then by all means run with a weighted pack.
If you want to test or improve your resolve and ability to endure and prevail against hardship then walk or run with a weighted pack.
If you want to see something a few days walk away but is inaccessible by vehicle then put your pack on and go walk to it.

Other than that...not sure how much good it will do you.

 

I've never used a weighted belt, so I don't have an opinion about them.

I'm not the person to ask about military surplus kit either. The one good thing about it is it tends to be rugged and last for ages. That doesn't outweigh the negatives of generally being heavier and less comfortable than civilian alternatives, in my experience.

 

I assume you're applying for the British armed forces? Trust me there is no need to do any rucking before you begin training, you will get built up to that level by experienced soldiers on your training team. Just focus on your running and leg strength.

 

A weighted vest gets heavy quickly. I have used a 20kg one as an alternative to a barbell, so I could swap between loaded squats, pressups, sprinting etc without changing kit, but I haven't gone a further distance than 100-200M sprints. If it's just for hiking, start small, take what you need, and do small walks. couple of bottles of water, food, first aid kit, phone, wallet. The longer you hike for, the more you have to carry. It's surprising how heavy a tent and cooking equipment ends up feeling, so build up to that. Are you planning to go hiking with friends? That's a good way to get started, and is safer.

 

I have rather thick nails... I've broken toenail clippers before (the part that keeps the 2 parts together broke under the stress of trying to clip my nails, sending the whole thing flying into pieces across the floor).
So then I got SEKI EDGE stainless steel toenail clippers. They are ridiculously strong and I bet they will cut your nails no problem.

 

Shameful advertising. (googled it.Kind of useless as its a U.S company and i dislike ordering overseas)

Im not but i would get a contary opinion from an infantryman i get the point though. I got exhausted before completing a fire and rescue fitness test, let alone one of them. XD

Not planning on leaving town and there wouldnt be anyone to go with me for runs etc, but i belive there are a few pederstrian friendly roads that lead to some villages or small towns closeish to mine. It also wouldnt be a true hike in the wilderness per say to warrant anything more than some food, water and a knife (dont ask, i know the issue regarding them) past training anyway. Anyone got advice on any not so expensive bags which work good for this purpose? (I will use it to make a go bag. )

 

Any cheap rucksack will do. Pick one up for a tenner from a sports shop. If that's too much you can make a kit bag from scavenged plastic and cord.

 

I think I found them by googling around for strong or extra strong nail clippers. There is likely some sort of extra-strength nail clipper you could find in the UK (or wherever you are located).

 

www.sekiedge.co.uk

Google 0.1 seconds of effort

This is precisely why people get a bit baity when you place these non-reasons in place for everything suggested

 

You say you're not planning on going hiking and you're not joining the military, so what exactly is your goal here?

 

I have the U.S site oepn and had it open when i psoted that reply and was reading through it.(and i have my eyes on some of the files)

[edit]: Seki Edge Domain i am looking at

Exercise and to get used to doing something i may need to do as you never know. Other than that, no idea. Or did you mean thread wise?