I had a conversation with "Grandmaster" Jae Jeannotte via facebook a couple of weeks ago. I thought I would post the conversation here. I am sure many of you will find the conversation just as fascinating as I did! lol!!! PM's Between myself and Jae Jeannotte very funny stuff!!! Jeannotte: Hello sir Me: Just googled you ..... interesting! Jeannotte: ok Jeannotte: ok Me: 10th dan. very impressive! Jeannotte: and what did u find Me: I have only met two hapkido tenth dans. I look forward to meeting you! Jeannotte: like wise Jeannotte: i know several Jeannotte grm.klaus shumacher: is 11th dsn hapkido ohdokwan Me: really? I have been to Korea, around 12 times, I travel the states a bunch and I have only met two. 11th dan wow! that is impressive Jeannotte: bernadetto stump of germany i promoted to 10th dan hapkido Jeannotte: grm.shumacher created the ohdokwan hapkido curriculum Jeannotte: i have been aff.with him 20++ yrs,now Me: impressive! Jeannotte: us dir.of his fed. Me: So I take it that is where you got your 10th dan? Jeannotte: i have been issued 10th dan from many fed.assc. Me: wow!!! congratulations Jeannotte: mostly for my foundership of american jaemukwan hapkido my styl of hapkido Me: how long have you been training in hapkido specifically? Me: who was your hapkido teacher 46 years ago and where did you train? Jeannotte: my dad n uncle were my 1st instructors then my brother who was vietnam vet ho trained hapkido green beret, i started when i was 4yrs.old 1966 Me: what was your Uncle's name, and with whom did he train? Jeannotte: dad as 8thdan hap,kyokushinkai karate judo jujitsu,uncle 7th dan hap,isshinryu karate ,judo jujitsu Me: that's very impressive! I am just speaking strictly about hapkido though Jeannotte: command srgt.major usm.william jeannette Jeannotte: he trained in korea and japan my father lived in korea n japan many yrs, united states marins retired 29 yrs,command sgt,major to senate former fbi agent chief of policee 28 yrs.buzzards bay mass. my fathre spent 28 yrs,in army.navy,merchant marines Me: Who was your father/uncle's hapkido teacher pre- 1970? Jeannotte: i know he was student of mas oyama kyukoshinkai many korean inst. Me: Who was his primary hapkido instructor before 1970? Jeannotte: dont remember Me: Do you remember ANY of the names of his hapkido teachers pre 1970? Jeannotte: what s point r u getting at here Me: no point. just asking about your hapkido background. I am very curious. I don't meet a hapkido 10th dan every day Jeannotte: ok Me:again. do you know any of the names pre 1970? Jeannotte: i thought u might think im a fake Me: lol, what would make you think that? what year did you obtain 1st dan hapkido? still with me? Hello? Jeannotte: i rc my 1st dan at 16 Me: very cool! from whom did you receive your 1st dan. What organization? Jeannotte: i have nothing to prove to anyone if u question my rsank come step on the mats good day Me: Why so aggressive? Just asking friendly questions about your hapkido background like I said it's not every day that I talk to a hapkido 10th dan! and ...... are you REALLY sure you want to get on the mat with me in an unfriendly way? not smart Jeannotte: anytime u want my friend Me: wow! Jeannotte: 8i'll lock the door behind u Me: ok. my dojang next week ..... I will need the time to train haha! Jeannotte: hapki Me: you want to fight me just because I asked about your background? seems kinda silly. don't cha think? Jeannotte: i did not say i want to fight u because of background chck i simply if u have doubts get on the mats i back up what i am Me: I have several doubts, thats why I am asking questions. Skill on the mat does not make one a 10th dan. I am just curious about your background Jeannotte: paper cert.mean nothing our conversation is done have a nice day Me: not just asking about a paper trail. I am asking specific questions about instructors etc. haha! you crack me up
Hi, Moosulmaster. :bow1: Apologies for resurrecting this obviously dead thread, but due to practically no input taking place over in the Kuk Sool forum, I started trolling the HKD section of MAP. :banana: I like this quote: However, the gentleman you had the "conversation" with, does run his own MA org, and going with conventional standards, thus gives him the right to claim such a rank. As for me, I rather hate all the rank nonsense as it usually leads to politicking on one level or another (which is something I hate even more). I've heard that usually there's little if nothing taught above 5th or 6th dan, and that such ranks are for administrative purposes only (i.e. to institute a "pecking order" within an organization - not unlike higher rank in the military). Furthermore, if master Jeannotte received his chodan at 16, he certainly has the the time-in-grade factor working in his favor for claiming his 10th dan (my math puts him at being in his early 50's). I'm not sure of his lineage, but like many HKD stylists, he favors the "arrowheads piercing a circle" symbol which was popularized by the Kido Hae (image below). Just for grins, I'm inserting his photo at the bottom of this post, along with some links which contain more info on the guy (just in case anyone's interested). Kido Hae Logo http://www.unitedmasociety.com/jeannotte.html http://www.koshinkwanhapkido.com/jae.html http://www.breu.com/ibs/sokeship/Jeannotte/index.html
The uniform looks like the ones created by the late GM Myung Kwang Shik (of the World Hapkido Federation)
Hello all, I agree Thomas, the uniform does look like one of those from Master Myung. I am assuming that one does not need to be a member of his organization to buy and wear that uniform. What I find more interesting is the assertion by Mr. Jeannotte that he started Hapkido in New England in 1966. That is interesting only because this would be a wholly unknown Hapkido branch in the US as the first "known" Hapkido in the US was on the west coast at the dojang of Master Choi, Oh Sea - in 1964 (?) - I don't think that anyone had left to teach on the East Coast by then, and I have not seen any records of a Jeannotte getting a black belt in Vietnam or Korea before this time. And I believe that JR West got a black belt in the region in 1967, and I believe he was the first. Now while I have no doubt that there was Hapkido in Vietnam and lots of GI's probably learned some, Jeannotte claiming a 45 year lineage in Hapkido is a stretch.
Hello Unknown my friend, Haha! I based on my first post you will find that he is quite unsure of his lineage as well! This is silly hogwash!!:evil:
Hi, Moosulmaster. Although your original post wasn't liberally peppered with sarcasm, there was enough to denote how you felt about "Grandmaster" Jeannotte (ROFL - especially note the use of "quotation marks"). However, just in case I did fail to realize it (which I didn't), your subsequent posts #5 & #6 have made it abundantly clear. And perhaps iron_ox said it best when replying to me on another thread recently, "if someone wants to call a random collection of stuff Hapkido, it is all too common in this country." Just for the record (and anyone following this thread), I do not go by the *strict* description of HKD when stating the type of MA I'm involved with. FWIW, I call what I do, "kuk-sool" having originally been a member of KSW/WKSA until a few years ago. But ignoring the *connection* that kuk-sool has with HKD is IMO, quite foolhardy. Apologies to any HKD purists out there who feel that folks such as myself are unqualified to discuss any topics concerning "their" MA, but for those who are more pragmatic about such matters, I say let's do our best to keep the art from being misrepresented any more than it already has been.
Although this is from another thread, I was not speaking directly about anything you may teach U-KJN. Rather, I have seen far too much material passed off as Hapkido that simply is not. Yes, I am a Hapkido Purist, no I don't consider anyone unqualified to speak their mind...and i appreciate that it is important to make sure things in general are not misrepresented. However, I will say this about Kuk-Sool-Won(TM) - the FOUNDER of the art has spent the last 30 years telling us that his art is not repackaged Hapkido - and although at first I thought that seemed odd, after 30 years of listening to him, and watching what he teaches, I will demur to his expertise about what he does, and agree that it is not Hapkido.
My opinion about what is and is not hapkido is quite different than Iron Ox. I do however think that he and I would both agree that the claims of this man we are speaking of are silly at best.
It seems that his organization and GM Smith's organizations are related - anyone know of the instructors listed under GM Smith's? (http://www.koshinkwanhapkido.com/smith.html) Other listings for GM Jeannotte http://www.tiptopwebsite.com/websites/index2.php?username=profholley&page=20 http://www.internationalgrandmasterscouncil.com/
so moosulmaster, According to what you know about this gentleman and we already know you arent buying his 10th dan story..........what rank do you think he is and how long do you think he has really been involved in this particular MA, not to stur up any trouble im just wondering
First of all, love the 27 seconds long demo that shows deep insight and true skill :evil: As for the second link, I really need to start Horangikido!!!! They have: "1st gup Camouflage Belt (il gup)" LMAO I think I would pay a lot of money, just to see somebody wear that And the third link is pure gold my friend. Has anyone ever heard of the amazing art of "KNOCKOUT KEMPO"? Or look at this gentleman: Oh, and of course everybody on that list is quote "WORLDWIDE RESPECTED"...
LOL, no doubt, not just that, it seems that you can become a high level master in any art that is remotely related to the skills you have acquired.
I don't have a horse in this race - I don't know the gentleman (it seems he is in New York State... I wonder how far from me). I am curious though, who his instructors were/are and where his ranking comes from. If he's legit, it could be a good thing for New York State.
Now that doesn't seem fair at all, that you actually do need skills in an art RELATED to the art you have your 10th Dan in I thought the skill was to give your fancy new art a fancy new name and promote it A LOT :evil:
I really don’t know anything about this "Grandmaster" other than the far fetched information he provided me. I posted the conversation simply because I was bored and found it very amusing.
Hello all, Mr. Jeannotte mentions Mr. Klaus Schuhmacher as someone he has known for 20 years... For those of you that want a good laugh, and don't mind the headache that will come with it... http://www.mpka.net/affiliates/Schuhmacher.htm All the organizations he mentions he started, he has an 11th dan in his own self styled "Oh Do Kwan" Hapkido - http://www.angelfire.com/ks/wmal/page2.html Here is my issues with any and all this dross...if you look at those websites where both of these men are "honored" virtually all the wingnuts on there have rank in Hapkido - it is a real problem and something that is very difficult to address...most have crazy rank in their own made up nonsense sounding style - and rank in Hapkido...OUCH! And like Mr. Jeannotte and Mr. Schuhmacher, most cannot list who trained them in Hapkido, how much time they actually trained in Hapkido and more importantly why they felt they needed to create something knew from an art they have virtually no knowledge of at all... Sorry let me edit that - occasionally a name of an instructor makes the list - usually someone no one has heard of, or having done on;y "private lessons" with another person... And I'm sure Homer Simpson gave Schuhmacker the name after reading all the crap on those sites and saying..."Oh Doe" Seriously, I can't give you back the time you might waste on those things, but they are funny - ex. World Wide membership - with 3 members on one site...have fun!
Ditto! :topic: OFF-TOPIC :topic: I didn't think you were, but please realize I wasn't *hammering* at you, I genuinely liked the quote and was merely giving you due credit for it. Actually, since the state of MA (that's the state of martial arts, not the state of Massachusetts - LOL) has always been a "buyer beware" scenario, you could put just about any MA in place of HKD in that sentence of yours, and it would still hold true. My apologies for being a little rough around the edges, as it seems years of my trying to fix this major personality flaw have failed miserably (gracefully retracts foot from mouth). I commend you for not overreacting to what could have easily been perceived as me being rude to you, when I was trying to be anything but. :bow1:
