EU referendum

Discussion in 'Off Topic Area' started by cloudz, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Dead_pool

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  2. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    I remember him having a costed plan, and the Conservatives having basically nothing but a catchphrase that they repeated until people believed it without doing any reading or research of their own or actually using any critical thought whatsoever (see, sweeping statements suck). Its interesting people say Corbyn supporters were deluded and voted for through the emotional appeal of his promises, yet the Tories were the ones getting support through nothing more than "strong and stable" and "Corbyn can't lead" which are much much less substantiated claims.

    Also, it was in no way 'extreme socialism.' I can't remember anything radical in his plans and that isn't demonstrably successful elsewhere.
     
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  3. Moosey

    Moosey invariably, a moose Supporter

    Is there any chance that you're just used to thinking that the Labour Party are "the other team" so you have to find bad things to say about them? Because you're kind spouting "catch phrases" rather than really comparing what the two parties offer.

    There's a difference between "I don't like what the Labour Party have to offer, so I will explain why" and "The Labour Party aren't my boys, so what can I find to insult them with?"
     
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  4. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    So If I'm not a fan of what Corbyn offers, I can't just say that ?
    What's the big insult exactly - that I think it's "dumb" to believe all his promises. He literally went around telling everyone what they wanted to hear.

    If that doesn't get your alrms bells going, then I'm not sure what would.
     
  5. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    I think we already covered the respective merits of the campaigns.
     
  6. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

  7. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    No we haven't actually, I posted a breakdown of the costed labour manifesto, and you ignored them.

    Also this isn't about that election, I want to talk about brexit, and the finacial news that is accompanying its progress.
     
  8. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Well thanks for that.

    Does Anyone else have anything to add, apart from the sound of toys leaving a pram......
     
  9. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    Oh you're right, as long as it was costed by the Labour Party, there's nothing to worry about at all!
     
  10. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Everyone except you it seems.
     
  11. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    err no toys out the pram. I'm actually off home and have no interest in discussing things I have no control over whatsoever.
    I can't discuss something I have no opinion on at all. Just being honest with you!

    You deal with it, you're amazing after all. :D
     
  12. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member


    Well no, anyone would think he actually won.
    But he did do that, he had an easy answer for pretty much everything.

    Come on..
     
  13. Dead_pool

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  14. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    He posted on a thread about brexit......
     
  15. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Personally, not really no. I'm struggling to remember you ever actually justify a position or try to have a discussion. You just disagree and be flippant.
     
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  16. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    I did see a wonderful article a while back for people like cloudz, entitled something along the lines of "how many of Corbyn's policies do you actually disagree with?" It made for interesting reading, and as someone fairly centrist, I actually found myself agreeing with him more often than not. In essence, he wanted better public education, lower university costs, more investment in healthcare and emergency services, etc. All of which would be paid for by increasing taxes on the rich (i.e. individuals most able to afford higher taxes) and by undoing cuts to capital gains tax (which has fallen from 40% with tapering down to 10%/20% in recent years, benefiting the rich disproportionately) and corporation tax (reduced from 33% or so to 17%, again benefiting the rich disproportionately).

    To my mind, the most recent Labour manifesto was actually very well written and costed. Rant away about it as much as you like, but if you're going to attack Labour for wanting to spend more than they have, then criticise their view for being unaffordable, at least have the decency to read their document and critique honestly rather than just parroting off what right wing sources have been yelling without any actual evidence.

    As a society we are getting to the point where we have to choose what we prefer more - a healthy society with good prospects for all, or a society where those born into wealth have great prospects and those born poor have to struggle to be able to afford essentials like healthcare. Personally I don't want to see us turning into USA Mk 2, and I genuinely fear that the Conservatives are making that their primary goal. Until (or if) they change, I will vote against them where previously I might have remained fairly apathetic.
     
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  17. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    This threads about the referendum we had which is long over now. Brexit and the referendum are not one and the same, although obviously the result led to Brexit. And whilst, yes I was interested in the discussion around the referendum, I'm really not that interested in talking about Brexit. Maybe it would be a better idea if you actually started a thread about Brexit rather than using this one. I answered a question you posted to me about the election, if you don't like the answer that's not my problem is it.
     
  18. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member

    So previously on this thread, about the referendum, I have not tried to justify a position or try to have a discussion. Are you for real ?
    You obviously haven't been following, and I don't remeber you joining the discussion that much so you have a cheek saying that crap. Anyway, whilst Corbyn certainly went up in my estimations the way he went about his campaign so succesfully, his ideology isn't for me. Of course I'm not against every single idea, in principle, I just don't find him and his circle credible people to vote for as our leaders either and don't trust in him or them. I don't need to have some in depth political back and forth with you lot to justify my opinion either. Again if that irks a few of you, it's your problem, and your sniffling about it is just rather pathetic.
     
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  19. cloudz

    cloudz Valued Member


    Well, you are the firsat person so far who has tried to discuss in any meanigful way. I would actually agree with you about Corporation taxes. I don't see why we have bands for higher rates in personal taxation and not for corporations. So yes I would definitely be fine with those corporations that make higher profits also contribute with higher rates of taxes using a similar model as personal taxation. I have not been 'ranting away', I just wouldn't vote for him.
     
  20. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Although we already have this system, with the small profits rate, and the main headline rate, I agree extending the range of rates could be a good idea, I imagine though that companies could subdivided to avoid a higher rate, which wouldn't be good.
    Although they already abuse the allowances system massively, which is why you always hear about large companies loosing money, But often in relation to the valuation of their buildings etc.

    As an example:

    Tesco reports record £6.4bn loss

    "Tesco has crashed to the biggest loss ever recorded on the UK high street, slumping £6.4bn into the red as a result of huge writedowns on the value of its property portfolio and stock."
     

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