As far as I know they are only called by their attack, which I said before was tsuki age (upper cut), it is the third technique. I, personaly think this is similar to the shoto dori technique in the Tehodoki no kata, which I can't remember the name of.
Tsuki-age in the Kodokan Kime no kata is a defence against a genkotsu-tsuki to the throat. The response is a double palm deflection into waki-gatame. Nothing like mogi-dori in the Te-Hodoki set of techniques. Are you sure you don't mean Suri-age? The uke attacks with a shote-uchi to the face, the tori does suri-age uke, kicks the uke's stomach, pivots and face-plants the uke into the floor, locking the elbow with the knee? That comes from a different jujutsu ryuha, as does Sode-dori in the tachi-ai portion of the Kime no kata. PM me for further details.
Considering the punch is Tsukkake, yes I mean Suri Age In Aikido we call a standing technique Tsuki Age (thrust up), were you do a palm heal strike to the face, hence my mistake. In our sword work we have a Suri Age (push up) movement. Is there a list anywhere for the Kime no Kata that specifies where each technique originated? Regards,
Unfortunately, no. You really have to know your koryu and technical characteristics therein. Kime No Kata was often thought to be just renraku (combination) waza of Tenjin Shinyo-ryu techniques. Recently, it has come to light that the set is comprised of techniques from more than one jujutsu ryuha. You certainly won't find the Idori version of Ushiro-Dori in Tenjin Shinyo-ryu, nor ke-age.
The tachi-ai version of ushiro-dori is very similar to Tenjin Shinyo-ryu, but not exact. This is also kind of a generic technique among some koryu jujutsu schools.
I came over something interesting while I was reading some required text, I found that Ueyshiba had also studied Kito-Ryu as part of his regimen before he had invested Aikido. Kito-ryu was one of the major school of ju jutsu and was founded by a Chinese man called "Gempin", who immigrated here from China to escape the rising regime of the Manchu dynasty. When he settled here permanently he taught three recorded disciples in an art which was described as “seizing and controlling a man.” It would seem that Chin Na does have an influence in one of the primary arts that formed Aikido.
Bottom line kensei. If we must point to one main influence it must be Daito Ryu of Takeda Sokaku. This from shihan who trained under Ueshiba, "modern day Aikido is the creation of O Sensei Ueshiba every art he studied "became aikido". regards koyo
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