BJJ Basics class?

This is a bjj thread. Too much talkey, no enough fightey.

 

Slaps hand and bumps fist........

 

Neck cranks in play or I leave....

 

of course, how else will I icelandic prybar you.......

 

Ok so here goes, (i'm going to avoid the words technique and attribute here because it seems to be the main sticking point)
Good training focuses on using as much mechanical advantage (leverage/connection, etc) as possible, thus making the most of whatever strength/weight/speed you have, but not over relying on it, to cover up a mechanical deficiency, and rolling is always on a continuum upto 100%, so that people can perform there own mini experiments, and find there own truth.

Next onto the questions

 

In a very general sense, the answer is normally gaining a better mechanical advantage, and that is generally solved via posture.

By bigger/stronger/faster/younger, I meant Heavier/stronger/faster/better endurance/flexible.

Isolation/specific rolling, and a lot of free sparring, plus Strength and conditioning outside of technique training.

And most physios and strength coaches are very strict about form etc which is the equivalent of technique in their world.

It depends on what the rate limiting factor to learning is, which can be a very individual thing. But people learn at all different sorts of rates, But people now, in gyms full of good people, learn a lot quicker then back in the day.

However, in my experience of being at both Big and small gyms, competing for a few years, and helping run classes for around 8 years , generally what helps people get good can be boiled down to a few small things
1) training being fun, if its fun you stay, and if you stay and put the hours in you get good
2) community, being surrounded by other people who are good, that want to give you a helping hand up,
3) Having a solid focus on skill over brute strength (i.e. focus on mechanical advantage connection/ timing all that good stuff)
4) Allowing people to use that brute strength so that people learn to cope with it.

Its knowing what to do, when to do it, and what to do when it all goes wrong, body mind interface and all that, obviously strength/speed etc all help that, but there's plenty of ten year blue belts out there, who can only win against people lighter/weaker then them.

Jiujuitsu is more then only speed and strength, you should try it!

As a side note - many people who have been training ten years or so, especially if theve been competing have wrecked bodies, lower back problems, bad knees and bad fingers for starters, I'm in worse shape now then when I started for sure.

 

Ok so that's all the replies your going to get out of me for now, unless.... you actually go to a BJJ class, roll with some whitebelts.... and tell us all how it goes.

If you interested in different training methods, personal expedience will show you so much more then another 8 pages on MAP ever will, plus I think you enjoy the change!

 

Yeah... the above replies demonstrate that you don't know what I'm talking about.

Maybe being raised by a neuro physio has given me a different perspective, as we learn a lot about normal functions of biology through studying pathology. Maybe you've yet to come full circle and see your basics and fundamentals from a different perspective... who knows?

Sure, I will check out some BJJ classes at some point when my life is less hectic, I've already stolen a handful of tricks (which I was able to do by virtue of developed neuromuscular attributes ), but you're still talking as if BJJ somehow suspends the normal systems of physiology, which strikes me as somewhat bizarre.

Anyway, never mind, no point flogging this horse any further

 

I thought that would be your answer, maybe you can start a thread in the general section, so that others can learn from your glorious full circle journey.... (sarcasm mode off)

Anyway back to reality, if/when you do go, maybe we can talk about how your theories applied to reality.

See you on the race track!

 

Right, because I've yet to encounter reality, and I've never crossed hands with a grappler.

Cool.

I've been talking about holism and methodological reductionism vs. dualism in relation to conceptual models of martial arts pedagogy.

You've been saying "brah, do you even roll?", while trotting out SBG orthodoxy without being able to explain how it works as a conceptual model.

I can't say it's been fun, but I can say that an interest in theory does not preclude a person from application, as theory can only come from praxis, and it behooves an instructor to take an interest in it.

 

You've been talking about an activity you have no experience of, So therefore no praxis of, and misunderstood some very simple concepts, whilst talking down to everyone on this thread.

If praxis is so important to you, you should focus on that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_(process)

''In Ancient Greek the word praxis (πρᾶξις) referred to activity engaged in by free people. The philosopher Aristotle held that there were three basic activities of humans: theoria (thinking), poiesis (making), and praxis (doing)''

 

In honesty the ONLY way to have ANY experience of how BJJ works is to do BJJ - nothing else counts

Point of example - I have as one of my students an owner of Bodyfit Bootcamp, a man who is lean, shredded and quite possibly one of the most "conventionally fit" people I have met

After 30 minutes of one of my classes he was breathing through his ****

If you are legit interested in seeing how the degrade of skill vs strength vs cardio etc works in BJJ you HAVE to do BJJ.....everything else is essentially intellectual onanism with a PE fetish

 

So the SBG article you posted applies to BJJ, and only BJJ? It can only be understood once a person has attended a BJJ class?

And, for the record, I haven't talked down to anyone, expect for you in my last couple of posts, but that was merely tit-for-tat so in my eyes we're even (especially after that wiki quote)

 

That has NEVER been in contention!

The only thing I'm saying I don't think is helpful is taking a black-box, dualistic approach to skill/technique. Taking a holistic view of physiology, and looking at research evidence, the mind/body distinction is as redundant for coordination, kinaesthetic sense and proprioception as it is for strength, endurance and agility.

It's so blatantly obvious to anyone who has trained that mechanical advantage is a trump card to other attributes that it should barely need mentioning.

It is being more specific with the qualities that grant that mechanical advantage, or technical skill in general, based on physiological research and evidence, that I am advocating.

 

You can apply it to anything you want, But anything outside of the root practical MMA type disciples, it will mostly jar badly with what you already think you know, because it is so different, because the Alive arts are so very different.

As an example Hannibal teaches Catch, I often talk shop with him, (and I always learn something) because we both have a shared frame of reference, sweaty man/women grappling, and have both also done our time in TMA systems

I do mean the wiki quote, you don't know, what you don't know, because you haven't experienced it yet, watching Eddie bravo and stealing tricks isn't even touching the edge of it.

If you want praxis, do praxis, then we'll talk!

I've also highlighted your spelling mistake, just so we're even now.

 

And what happened? Context and conclusions would be nice.

 

Who said it jars? Still though, I guess I wouldn't understand because of all that dead sparring and dead unscripted, resistant training I do

I've said all along that I see the utility in it as a short-hand for pedagogical reasons, but it is not an accurate model of how humans actually work. More specific reduction of systems leads to more specific targeting of training.

I take it you're presuming my training doesn't include any grappling?

I'm happy to leave you with your preconceptions

I really am done now, I've got stuff to do. Until the next time!

 

The way you talk about it I think its taken for granted you have never done any grappling, as for your training being dead and not alive, frankly none of us have a clue how or what you train so we can only guess at that through your posts because you seem afraid to post anything showing what you do....

 

Because the only motivation for not posting videos is fear?

Where can I find your videos?

 

Well mine are all over Facebook and YouTube....