Discussion in 'MAP Awards 2009' started by Anth, Dec 1, 2009.
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cant remember his name but who was the one who came on here asking about registering as a "lethal weapon" who ever that was gets my vote
Since he's only received one mention I feel compelled to nominate Fire Quan.
I've never experienced anyone who worked so hard to be a..... well, I can't think of an adjective that doesn't violate TOS. And not only was he dedicated to being an (insert your perjorative of choice), he seemed genuinely convinced that he was the only rational being on the site. His ability to contradict himself in the course of a thread just so he could be contentious with anyone who said anything was unsurpassed, and the fact that it took so long for him to be banned is testament to his awesomeness as a troll.
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Mt first choice when I saw this catagory was Fq.
An individual with lots of good things to contribute, but who would go out of his way to irritate individuals/groups,be rude,hurl false accusations,and act superior. (Always made me recall Dick Cavett to Norman Mailer-" Would you like two chairs for your giant intellect? " )
To me, this is the worst type of troll.Moronic garden variety trolls don't hold a candle.
What did Fire-quan do to get banned?
Per the "Banned user list:"
Abusive PMs to several site moderators
Saw that although I wonder what preceded that? Or did he just go AWOL...
Anyways, I don't think FQ was a troll. He was just a dude in the traditional circle, with radical opinions that oppose most of the thinking in the traditional arts. He ****ed a lot of people off . . . really . . . . REALLY . . . bad. Not because he came here with the intention of stirring people up, but because he feels strongly about something, and wants to convince other people that his opinion is correct. He was strong willed, and used strong language, and called people on their crap. I honestly learned alot from his stuff. Not just about Martial Arts, but about language, truth, manipulation and wu de.
Yes, the guy adopted a persona that he used to direct discussions in a way that was appropriate to him. He wrote with a certain style to shake things up a little bit. If that makes him a troll, then ya'll should nominate me too, because I do the same thing. I'm just more diplomatic about it.
Sorry Yohan, but you're no diplomat.
While FQ did indeed impart some useful information, and was even genuinely helpful on rare occasions, he worked hard to be antagonistic, and was generally guilty of everything he ever accused anyone else of doing in terms of logical fallacies and manipulation.
Don't know what he said to the mods to finally get banned, but it should have happened much sooner.
I did not claim to be wholly diplomatic, just more diplomatic than FQ.
*MOD HAT OFF*
Even though he was guilty of all the things you say, if you go back and look at those old threads, there was typically one or more people in there winding it up. I even did it for a while. There was a thread with a video of some dudes kicking bricks with their toes, and I totally got after him for all that stuff he says. I totally disagreed with him, but he made some excellent points, all well worth considering.
Which I did, and now, I pretty much agree with him.
So he made logical fallacies or antagonized people. I did it. I do it. You do it. Almost everyone does. It doesn't mean that person can't teach you something. Even if they are a turd.
And here I am, being a turd, derailing the troll nominations thread.
*gets his coat*
It's true you're much more diplomatic than FQ....
But then, so was Yasir Arafat.
Firequan made good points but he also came across as being almost incapable of admitting that anything he said was not completely correct. It's trolling 101 to think that you are creating arguments not because you're trolling but because you know that you're just smarter than everyone else and you want to demonstrate how you can control everyone's behaviour. Firequan claimed to be doing that quite often just before he got banned.
Anyway, I liked Firequan and I generally agreed with his positions but I can certainly see where people are coming from when they nominate him for trolling. He did have that streak in him and when combined with a giant ego it's not surprising he got so many people's backs up.
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