Are there any martial arts "ratings boards"

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by tooksomechin_na, Aug 26, 2017.

  1. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    Probably, but by the 5 minute mark i would probably be running on fumes or done energy and adrenaline wise. Im too passive to actually fight somone unless they provoke me, either by antagonising me or actually being a threat, i cant actually safely grapple. I'm also trained in the "shadow technique" kudos if you get it. :p Look up some of those boxing fails videos and you will probbly find it in a compilation


    Edit: For the record i am now looking up Tai Chi styles etc
     
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Have you met Singh? :)
     
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  3. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    If only they knew and if only they the stuff we can't say. :D
     
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  4. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Quite the masonic circle you guys have got going there ;)
     
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  5. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    If you know the secret handshake and wear the suspenders I'll tell you.

    Post a picture. :D
     
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  6. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    Do you have to do some weird 50 move pattern when you see each other to confirm you are part of it? :p
     
  7. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Nope. We're far more efficient than that. :D
     
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  8. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    The guy who cross trains in EVERYTHING? Not really a Tai Chi practitioner then.

    I'm not saying the style is useless, I'm sure I could pick a fee things from it that could work. I can pick stuff up from Wing Chum and make it work. It's the fact that nobody who does solely Tai Chi can make it work.
     
  9. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award



    Kinda on topic, here marcello vs some tai chi guys...... Who also cross train...
     
  10. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Really? You know all the people who solely practice TCC?

    And define what "makes it work?

    I already posted the video of my fellow TCC student, who had someone reach over her and grab (presumably her cell phone) she just felt/ saw someone being aggressive in her space and reacted. Grabbed his arm, threw him, kicked him, and he ran off. She only studies TCC and she made it work. Even though she was in her 70's and all about 5 ft 2 inches tall. She made it work.

    But could she win an MMA match? No. So what?

    Edit- I just thought of a teenage student who only has ever studied TCC. When he was just a kid, not even a teen, he was picked on by a bully at his school and fought with TCC only and won. Was never bothered by the bully again.

    These people both fought with TCC as a fighting art and used it to defend themselves.

    I heard this after the Mayweather fight. Plenty of people on forums saying "yeah, but he would get whupped in a MMA match by McGreegor." boxing does not have throws or kicks and limited punches. I am sure he would lose a MMA match. Does that mean that boxers only trained in boxing don't know how to make it work for self defense or in a martial way?

    Wrestlers, BJJ, and Judo people don't punch. I am sure many could use it in a combat way for self defense though.

    MMA is great. It pressure tests people in a way that is better than most schools. Doesn't mean it is the be all or end all though. Doesn't mean one style is nott martial and can be used to fight.

    And why does it not count if someone is trained in multiple styles to use TCC only? I am quite sure my Sifu, School founder, and GM Wong could solely use TCC and make it work. Knowing other arts does not discredit their ability to only use TCC.
     
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  11. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    He is a disciple in Tai Chi and can quite easily fight using "just" tai chi...cross training obly allows you to recognise common threads

    His own Sifu, Arnold Tayam, battered me in push hands
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Also worth pointing out the last fight/confrontation i had eas resolved using tai chi
     
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  13. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Exactly!

    Yes, he is. He is a practitioner of Tai Chi AND every other art he has studied. Why on earth would studying multiple styles mean the skill built in one style mean you aren't a practitioner of the individual styles? Is Georges St. Pierre NOT a Karate Black Belt still- despite all the other styles he does?

    This idea of it only counting if the person hasn't trained in another style is just IMO not a valid way to discount an art. If we applied that everywhere, imagine what would happen. Wrestling isn't a valid style if the practitioner also trains in another art?

    Our school head has been a CLF/ Yang instructor/Sifu/Tai Sifu/ etc. for decades. But he started with a high rank in kenpo. Does that mean that his CLF doesn't count? That he isn't a CLF practitioner?

    Again, the McGreggo/ Mayweather fight. A lot of people feel McGreggor boxed pretty well. Is anyone saying his skill as a boxer can't be judged in a boxing match, because he has had other training?

    I have never heard someone discount other arts because of cross training before. Not sure why that standard should apply in TCC alone. :confused:
     
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  14. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Jeezo, don't get so wound up about it. It's just a differing opinion.

    Hannibal doesn't agree with me and he's not losing his rag.

    To clarify, I meant "solely a Tai Chi practitioner". Almost all stories of Tai chi working in a fight/sparring are anecdotal. Until such time as I find someone good st combative Tai chi I will probably continue to hold this opinion and look at it with a degree of skepticism I reserve for Wing Chun and Aikido.

    As for "what do you consider a real situation?" Well it pretty much covers any form of full resistance in a one vs one-or-more confrontation. Anything from "drunk uncle at BBQ" all the way through to "violent thugs from Arkham asylum with knives". It's a sliding scale. Take your pick.

    @Hannibal (it looks like we can tag each other!) Push hands is not really fighting as we know. It's a little drill like pummelling in wrestling. Sensetivity and all that.



    There's nothing wrong with Tai chi in my opinion, as most regard it as good exercise especially as we get older. But if you want to claim combat efficiency.... Prove it. *shrug* I'm sure once upon a time they fought better, but hard style died out.
     
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  15. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    If you want to prove TC is a good system, people who are solely trained in TC should be used as an example.

    Otherwise the cause = effect of training in the art is unclear.
     
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  16. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    The thing about Tai chi for me is that the skills in rooting, yeilding, unbalancing etc and what I understand of it's striking make total sense in theory and I've seen them demonstrated sensibly against resistance. Push hands isnt too different to judo randori either when it's free step.

    I'm completely open to Tai chi as a functional fighting art. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be other than modal training practices. But then I know there are people who do train it as a fighting art. From an outsider's perspective I see it's greatest utility as a standing grappling system.

    I have no idea if it is effective against competent striking but I'd be open to seeing that exchange.

    Probably in order to assess the utility of its practices it would be better to see an exponent trained purely in that alone... That's just logical and scientific. This fact however doesn't prohibit us from drawing data from people who are crosstraining and putting their Tai chi to use.

    I'd like to see genuine Tai chi (alone) used in a challenge match against that slightly deranged, macho, Chinese MMA guy though.
     
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  17. Rataca100

    Rataca100 Banned Banned

    Going to be a pest again. Dont they do open hand strikes in both Judo and wrestling to open up throws and grapples? And both of these are sports now. Judo from Juijitsui and wrestling just by evoluton. Grappling just tends to work wouldn't want to figure out how to grapple someone while they are crotch kicking, eye goughing, biting and ear slapping though . Wont call them martial arts as you generally fight for fun in a sports context and you dont intend malice or to kill the person you are fighting. then you don't take into consideration environmental weapons etc.That and, they are no longer for fighting in a self defence/war context strictly. (not really about Tai chi, just my grivances with sports)


    Should we make a thread about this? Or would you like me to make a thread about this? We have gone from the "testicles crushed to teeth broken" list to tai chi. XP (still trying with those names)
     
  18. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    So you want documentary evidence of a Tai Chi practitioner functioning in a violent confrontation. You also want documentary evidence that this person has received no MA training other than Tai Chi.

    That's actually quite a tall order. Could you produce similar evidence for Judo?
     
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  19. Dead_pool

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  20. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    No they don't, however mma gyms will train wrestling and nogi judo vs/with strikes.
     
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