AIKIDO VERSUS the BJJ OPEN GUARD

Discussion in 'Aikido' started by Dead_pool, Jul 9, 2013.

  1. peterc8455

    peterc8455 Valued Member

    Me too. I'll have to try the rolling my partner over thing next class and see how easy it is. :p
     
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    As he was on his own no - we only attack downed opponents with odds of 3-1 in our favor ;)
     
  3. peterc8455

    peterc8455 Valued Member

    In all fairness, you see the lack of understanding in many other arts too.

    Here is one of my personal favorites

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmjQug07uLU"]Techniques for Ground Fighting : Hapkido & Taekwondo Techniques - YouTube[/ame]

    At 1:08 the guy narrating says he will use the "Hapkido neck crank" and makes sure to keep telling us its not allowed in sport grappling along with the other techniques. :p
     
  4. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    there actually is truly amazing and effective aikido and hapkido out there. it's just not on this thread.
     
  5. Rebel Wado

    Rebel Wado Valued Member

    Really bad example of an open guard in the above video, IMHO. Uke should be sitting up more, to conserve energy. From there stand up in base or rock back to pivot.
     
  6. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Different people will tell you different things with respect to what Aikido is all about. However almost everybody would agree the objective is to bring conflict to and end as peacefully as possible. Which is not quite the same as self-defence. At least not as most people would understand self-defence. We're not required to wait for an attack.
     
  7. dentoiwamaryu

    dentoiwamaryu Valued Member

    Which part of the guy lying on his back pretending to be a dead fly represents a BJJ guard? Not one single Aikido principle was used either, there is no way the joke slaps where meant to represnet atemi. there is ONLY ONE WAY to train against any other skill and that is train with them, mimicing is the WORST way. get a BJJ guy on the mat and see how long before your wrapped up like a xmas pressie.
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2013
  8. Rebel Wado

    Rebel Wado Valued Member

    A lot of the old timer Aikidoka came from Judo backgrounds. Why they would even ask how to deal with an open guard using Aikido just doesn't make any sense.

    Wouldn't it make more sense to ask how could the way they (Judoka) deal with an open guard be improved through Aikido fundamentals and principles.

    I imagine that it might become something closer to this:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-Xhwm1PlM"]Judo Leglocks - YouTube[/ame]

    Even though it is more of a demonstration, and the subject is Judo, the movements and mechanics do a fine job of demonstrating principles used in Aikido.
     
  9. Falcord

    Falcord Valued Member

    Sorry, but this thread isn't complete with good old Ninjutsu scissor lock escape:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUcWdxJ-lc"]Scissor Lock Escape - YouTube[/ame]
     
  10. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    Ok, I lasted one minute on the original video.

    As a former practitioner of Aikido and a BJJ Blue Belt I say... horsecrap!

    Go buy a Roy Dean dvd. That man is a legit high Dan in Aikido, a Dan in Judo and a BJJ Black Belt. If people want to see the cross over between BJJ and Aikido he is the man to look to!
     
  11. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Isnt he a shodan under the aikikai in aikido, his Yondan (maybe higher) was in Seibukan not aikido.
     
  12. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    from http://www.roydeanacademy.com/academy/instructors

    wish i could train with the man, as someone that practiced a little bit of aikido and now currently bjj.
     
  13. Citom

    Citom Witless Wonder

    we need to put the "harm" back in "harmony" (to paraphrase Yamada Sensei) :D
     
  14. nunchaking

    nunchaking New Member

    If someone has experience on what are doing, they should know what's their own strengths and weaknesses. One of the primary differences between different martial arts are spacing/distance, posture and arena they are in. BJJ strength is ground fighting, why would an Aikido practitioner get into ground fighting with someone who trained day in and day out on? Aikido biggest strength is evasion techniques, create opportunity for locking through taisaki and kuzushi and maintaining central line for execution power. Also, if someone has training on ground fighting, they know those smacking are not difficult to block and eventually lead to armbar. You might want to do repetitive straight line punch instead - like the karate chokuzuki. The clip has non of these that give the Aikidoka those kind of advantages. If I were that Aikidoka, I would stand back and say .. let's stop the fight and be friend.

    Knowing your opponent is crucial. I can't execute any Aikido techniques to a big fellow in our dojo in full speed randori (not kata). He is 70-80 lbs and at least half foot taller than I do. I am 5.9 and 190 lbs well built. Since, I have different background in striking art, I have to trick him (strike from further distance) and use my more superior agility and speed to get an upper hand against him. After while, he knows that too and when we perform randori, it takes us long time to find openings. It is a patience game.
     

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