Aikido Techniques

Discussion in 'Aikido' started by 0gmios, Jun 17, 2007.

  1. Archibald

    Archibald A little koala

    http://pobladores.lycos.es/data/pob...els/judo_verano/images/2156206veranoymaxi.jpg

    That's the best picture I could find (it's not the throw, lol).

    Imagine the one on the right isn't in a lock/choke, and that his arm is a little higher across the other's body. Now imagine he drops straight backward, keeping his leg up until the last moment, so the one on the left is forced over his knee and onto his back.

    That's ude ashi nage.

    I'll keep searching for better pics.
     
  2. koyo

    koyo Passed away, but always remembered. RIP.

    Thanks got it. If you had your leg in front of both of his and his arm trapped acroos your front it would be tai otoshi from judo a good technique if he resists your ude ahsi nage.

    WILL TRY IT THIS WEEKEND. :D

    Cheers Bill
     
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  3. 0gmios

    0gmios Valued Member

    Archibald and Koyo,

    Ude Ashi Nage is called Do Gaeshi Sutemi (body overturning sacrifice) in Yoseikan. Although it doesn't have to be done as a sacrifice, in which case it is just Do Gaeshi.

    It is a sokumen irimi nage, applied at the same time as a tani otoshi, for those of you who know Aikido and judo.

    Regards,
     
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2007
  4. 0gmios

    0gmios Valued Member

    Do Gaeshi Sutemi Picture

    Fingers crossed this works
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    I think I got it...
     

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  5. piratebrido

    piratebrido internet tough guy

    There are several ways of performing the technique. Some folks at Judo are great at it. Its one of those throws thats good for most people, one of the biggest guys at judo and the smallest guy are the two best at it.
     
  6. 0gmios

    0gmios Valued Member

    Nice!
     
  7. 0gmios

    0gmios Valued Member

    This is the approach in Yoseikan. If you an get a clean Aikido technique, kudos to you, if not, there is always judo to fall back to. This is what Mochizuki Sensei experienced when he went to France in 1951.

    Regards,
     
  8. koyo

    koyo Passed away, but always remembered. RIP.

    Hi guys

    Could not help but notice the sutemi you posted looks very much like this sword technique. same rear kuzushi and the cut at jodan will have a similar effect.


    regards koyo

    I always emphasise that the attacker must be unbalanced in at least two areas preferably backwards to the side. You can see this in BOTH pictures.
     

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  9. 0gmios

    0gmios Valued Member

    It is the same technique. I am not sure what you call this, but the Aikikai texts I have just call it irimi nage, and the Yoshinkan call it sokumen irimi nage. We call it Do Gaeshi. What Archibald described is the sacrifice version of Do Gaeshi.

    Regards,
     
  10. koyo

    koyo Passed away, but always remembered. RIP.

    What is not often mentioned is that O SEnsei asked at least three budoka to become the heir to aikido. Mochisuki shihan Sugino shihan and Nakakura shihan. Nakakura shihan trained in a particularly aggresive kendo school that used sweeps and reaps and aggresive body contact.
    All three were very powerful budoka. So O SEnsei's intent to keep the martial aspects of his art is obvious from these choices.

    nakakura shihan 10 dan kendo

    regards koyo
     

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  11. Keikai-Tsutsumi

    Keikai-Tsutsumi New Member

    Archibald.

    The way you describe the technique Do Gaeshi would be Te Ashi Guruma (Hand Leg Wheel) with the sacrifice or Hand Scissor without. The Te Ashi Garuma is in 1st Kyu agaisnt a two hand grip from behind. Lost a lot of skin attacking that one once.
     
  12. 0gmios

    0gmios Valued Member

    After he returned from the war (world war 2 - he was in Mongolia for this period) Mochizuki Sensei was asked by O'Sensei to take over the Aikikai! He declined as Kisshomaru, who previously had no interest in Aikido, had since started training. Mochizuki Sensei stated that it was for the Ueshiba family.

    Regards,

    PS interesting school of kendo from Nakakura, would be good to see that today in kendo.
     
  13. kensei1984

    kensei1984 Panda Power!

    I don't think that Mochizuki ever did want the school, but apparently Kisshomaru always did. But at the time he wasn't in the dojo much, and from my understanding, no one really respected him as he was more preoccupied with his dayjob rather than developing aikido. Mochizuki set him straight with his training, and only then did people start looking up to Kisshomaru.
     
  14. Archibald

    Archibald A little koala

    I stand corrected :) I got a glance of the 1st kyu grading a while ago and I'm honestly not surprised you lost alot of skin!

    I spent all day yesterday training for green....I don't think my left arm works anymore, lol.

    Koyo and Ogmios, you got it in one....great pic btw Ogmios. Shame I didn't get the name right, lol :love:
     
  15. 0gmios

    0gmios Valued Member

    It more of an arm then hand action, so 'ude' rather than te' would be a better description, if that is any consolation. :)

    BTW the picture is at the Yoseikan.
     
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  16. 0gmios

    0gmios Valued Member

    Interesting, what is the source of this information, would love to read it?

    Regards,
     
  17. kensei1984

    kensei1984 Panda Power!

    Twas an article on the aikidojournal.com, I forgot which one. It was an interview with Mochizuki.
     
  18. 0gmios

    0gmios Valued Member

    Tanto Dori

    Since it has gotten a little quite I will throw out another topic.

    Tanto dori is a thing that really stands out in Aikido as very bad technique, in general.

    I am interested to hear how other train in tanto dori, specifically at higher levels.

    We train in a very controlled "Aikido" style at lower level. In Yoseikan at higher levels the focus is on kenkyu (research). The attacks become "real", with the goal of the attacker becoming to not let the defender take the knife after the attack.

    Regards,
     
  19. koyo

    koyo Passed away, but always remembered. RIP.

    Hi Guys

    I got quiet cos' my computer went all kiaiki on me.
    EVERY technique we do must be applied as though the attacker has a knife. We shall often apply an empty hand technique and then do the EXACT movement again with a knife. If any adjustments are needed (other than maai) we consider the hand technique to be incorrect.Even when attacking with a knife we retain zanshin against the possibility of atemi.
    Below there is the possibility of juji nage irrimi nage and kote gaeshe since the attack is in chudan.

    regards koyo
     

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  20. piratebrido

    piratebrido internet tough guy

    Koyo on Sunday I kicked the Bear in the stones. I thought it was excellent technique.
     

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