Discussion in 'Aikido' started by aikiMac, Feb 11, 2005.
I use Aikido in negotiations - moving in at the right time, no pushing or shoving or getting yourself off balance. The secret of a good negotiation is harmony and respect and not underestimating the other party.
On a physical level, I have used Aikido when I was knocked off my bicycle. I was travelling in a bicycle lane with parked cars on the left and traffic on my right, moving quite fast. I did scan the cars to make sure there was no driver but did not see the one who opened his door right in my face. The front wheel hit the door and I went flying over the top. As I was flying through the air, I tucked my head to the side and rolled as I hit the ground, standing up quickly to get out of the way of traffic. I came out of it without any injury, but the bike was mangled.
I mostly use it off the mats to create and establish ma ai 間合い, ("interval") especially in instances when MP police dogs were brought in to find me...what main gates???
Aikido principles and my life
Has anyone felt like he/she needs aikido just to be able to carry on with every day life?
To me, aikido principles are like the top of a mountain peak. We have all pretty much experienced that feeling when hiking in the hills, such as closer we get to the top as further away from the peak we appear to be.
Similarly, having practice Aikido for the past 7 years, the deeper I tried to understand the spiritual principle of Aikido, the further away I found myself from it.
The secret for me is not to look for an answer but instead ask myself the correct questions:
Is Aikido exploit the main profound aspects of human behaviour?
Is time itself the only parameter of our live that we cannot control when trying to complete ourselves and form a whole?
Nope. I got on in life just fine before I took up Aikido and I get by just fine now that I no longer have a regular practice. As for the spiritual aspect? There's no secrete to it. The approach to development is the same as the physical practice. Simple honesty. Be honest with yourself and those around you and it won't be too hard to find out what it is you do well and could do better and the things you really, really need to work on.
my sensei always tells me:
"principles of radiating ki
always be calm
have a positive mind
have correct posture"
and then he tells our class that the dojo isn't the only place that you practice these principles, and the you MUST apply them outside of the class, that is the true aikido, not the techniques, but the four principles. later, (after 4 yrs of aikido), i asked him if there was any way to practice different techniques from different martial arts, and he reminded me of those 4 principles, and that TRUE martial arts are those four principles, if you master them, u technically master martial arts. It was a very long conversation, but he also said that a true martial artist only practices at most 2 martial arts...
Utter nonsense. The minute your teacher starts talking about "true martial arts" or "true Aikido" you need to go find a new teacher. I can't for the life of me fathom how a student stops being a "true" martial arts practitioner because they study 3 or 4 or more systems. Utter nonsense.
So thats Osensei debunked then. Hiro You need to tell your teacher that its not how many arts he practices but how serious, hard and for how long he practices that matters
my sensei has been teaching all his life, and has been taking taekwondo way before he heard about aikido. he learned straight from shuji moriyama, who learned from o sensei. just think about it, how many amazing martial artists are masters of more than 2 martial arts? just sayin, u might have taken/practiced more than 2, but you dont seem to be serious when you take too many, because you can't focuse on them....
I beg to differ. I've seen some pretty amazing guys that have studied multiple arts (examples, Judo/Jodo/Kendo/Iaido, Shorin Ryu/TKD/Aikido, Aikido/Silat/Juijitsu).
So your teacher was teaching when he was a 1 year old? I have to admit that's quite an achievement. But many of these "masters" actually studied several arts. And if you're genuinely an Aikido student at all, even a Ki Aikido student, you'd know O Sensei studied well more than 2 arts. How you level that with your twisted logic is beyond me.
How much focus a person can give to their training depends on the individuals circumstances and willingness to train. Not the number styles they choose to train in.
I could make a list of only Chinese practitioners who were acknowledged in their day as masters of more than two systems but it would clog up the board.
Instead I shall advise you that the study of history oftimes rectifies the misconceptions one may have regarding martial systems and their practitioners.
Go,and read thou likewise.
?? u didn't give me and examples of people??
and u keep repeating that all these masters practiced more than 2. i said they have only MASTERED and taught/kept continuing to practice those martial ever since they have started them, i dont think ur the perfect warrior either, if you can't pay attention to details..?
examples por favor...
Just out of curiosity. Just how long does it take to become a master? And who decides you are a master?
Studying many martial arts is a necessity - know your enemy
Practicing different arts is a good idea - right tool(s) for the right job. Having more than one type of hammer is often handy.
Mastering martial arts never happens. There are advanced students (called teachers), and there are younger students.
So, your sensei is The Chosen One? I mean, if he realized what are the TRUE four principals of Martial Arts... I do realize that most people look up to their sensei/coach/instructor, but common... Use your intelligence... Do not start sentences with "I was told" and "My sensei told me"... That is just plain wrong. You should learn from people wiser than yourself but you should also use your own thinking process when evaluating if you should accept something that is being served to you. My question to YOU would be, WHY are TRUE Martial Arts THOSE four principals? Is there any other principals perhaps? What about Martial Arts that to not incorporate some of those principals (more accurately, do not emphasize them)?
Regarding training more than two Martial Arts, I somewhat agree that it is difficult to achieve same level of "expertize" in many Martial Arts, but IMO that is in most cases not the purpose of training more than two Martial Arts. Purpose is to mix it up a little bit and have more choices available when under threat. Grappling/Punching/Weapons/etc. It also depends on how/why you train. Most of us here have jobs, families, obligations, etc. That is somewhat restrictive if you want to devote yourself to more than two Martial Arts. But some people do that for a living and for them, that is actually quite easy and most of all, FUN! Again, my question to you would be, why do YOU think it is impossible to master more than two Martial Arts? Time limitation? Focus? Determination? Will power? In average human life there is more than enough time to master more than two Martial Arts if you are determined to do that...
Projecting energy. Not radiating. Shuchuryoku: focused power. Ideally focused into a single point. You're not trying to heat the room you're trying to throw, lock, strike, etc. so you want the energy directed.
I'm more afraid of a 100 lb woman going crazy because I'm threatening her child than someone who is calmly trying to fight me. You have to be focused and aware but you don't always have to be calm.
I would say duh but... Cynicism will serve you much better than optimism.
Finally something we agree on.
Have correct structure. Posture is only one part of structure.
Yeah,why is that? We have master machinists, master carpenters,etc, but a MA can never be mastered.
Is this simply because Gung Fu Fiction has made for grandiose and unrealistic expectations for what a MA master should be? That "mastery" in MAs is somehow tantamount to a mysterious Kwai Chiang Kane level of expertise?Or simply that the term "master" supposedly denotes nothing more to learn?(Which is silly).
It's ridiculous.And tho' the term,like any ranking, is truly relevant only within the individual system,many individuals have been recognized by their instructors,peers,and seniors as having "mastered" a system.
It seems that this unattainable mastery concept is a product of the modern era. The historical record shows that both East and West martial practitioners would not agree with the common pop sentiment.
I believe the term implies an abstract sense of perfection which being a mental concept can never truly be attained.
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