A couple videos from the Aikido school I attend.

Recently I've come to see wristlocks in a different light as i was painfully removed from mount by JWT applying a wrist lock with me actively trying to maintain top position.

fair enough it took a little time to set up but he distracted me and moved well enough that made it incredibly easy once it was on

but i dont think it is testament to aikido as much as it was testament of the man's skill and training methodology.

 

well i'd say that's true is every case. your style doesn't fight for you

that said, although it's not his main, jwt did do aikido, if memory serves. so you basically got wtfpwned in groundwork by a shotokan dude using aikido on you :evil: :ban:

 

Were you actively trying to submit him or feed him his teeth or just trying to hold mount?

Asking because pretty much anything can be made to work given enough time, but there is a reason wrist locks aren't part of any sane grappling escape from mount

 

it was quite friendly so it was just maintaining mount as i was interested in how he dealt with mount.

wristlocks are low percentage but added to a decent skillset like JWTs or any grapplers and the application becomes a lot effective and just another "trick up the sleeve"

i think in isolation, without a pre-existing skill set and some resistance based training, wristlocks are pretty useless.

 

The main place where I have found wristlocks and similar to be very effective is with dealing with drunk friends - you know, the type who think it's funny to randomly grab you in a headlock and say "so, you know karate, eh? Show us what you would do here". In these situations, sankajo is my friend (and theirs too, as it doesn't injure them). It's handy (pardon the pun) to have a continuum of force option for all those situations (which come to think of it, is most of them) where termination with extreme prejudice is not required.

Having said that, as I understood it, the wristlocks are not actually the point of the techniques in aikido. It was more the lessons in body movement, manipulation of the direction and positioning of the opponent and blending with/disrupting the incoming force of the attack that were the learning points. The wristlocks were the vehicle to teach these that could be discarded once learned (or used it the opportunity presented). I think Gozo Shioda's autobiography mentioned something to that effect - I'll have a search and see if I can find it.

But yes, I tend to agree with Zaad - wristlocks in a high intensity situation are not that useful in isolation; they need to be set up, and set up well (and since the set-up will often be enough to end an encounter, then are they even necessary?)

 

this is the issue i have with this stuff, you said once its on its pretty effective and easy to use but took a while to set up, and this was against someone being friendly and not using the mount for whats its meant for, a striking platform or a submission platform, ive made PE fist to the ribs work in play with someone not actually trying to hurt me from the mount, doesnt mean id ever try it in a realistic situation
The same comments can be said of a lot of low percentage stuff, they are called low percentage not because they dont work at all, but because they are so hard to set up realistically that you almost never see them used

Personally if my aim was self defense and i only spent about 10% of my training time on the ground, id drill the same high percentage basic techniques
that the pros used, rather than try to reinvent the wheel

 

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wristlocks?

 

I think that, in my particulalry limited knowledge and skill level, that wrist locks are more like the cherry on the topping rather than the ice cream. Sure it's nice to have and maybe an interesting technical exercise but I think one would rather have the large joint sub/throw/strangle etc first and then as needed add the wrist lock for control. It takes more time/skill/set-up at a time when you are nervous/sweaty/adrenallin high and all the rest which makes fine motor skill activity difficult to pull off.

As had been mentioned before it's better to do something with a fairly quick result rather than get too complicated and find yourself waking up on the mat or being subbed. Technical stuff is great just not always as practical as it could be.

FWIW

LFD

 

Keenan can do whatever he likes to us mortals but i dont remember him hitting any of those in comps against other top black belts?
Thats the thing if you are world class you can play around with this stuff against guys not so good as you, but when facing other guys just as good as you are you tend to see them using the same high percentage submissions and takedowns we all know (just with better timing lol)
So those of use not world class and who will more than likely face someone at the same low level or better should probably concentrate on those high percentage things

Also worth noting that's a grapplingdemo, taking a two on one grip or searching for someones hand with both of yours in a striking environment isnt the brightest idea , hence why you done see well Russian 2 on 1 in MMA