Is body conditioning in martial arts bad?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Light25, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    If you are 14 I would also recommend going easy when practising joint locks. Be honest when you partner applies a lock. Do not tap if the lock is incorrectly applied. But! tap as soon as you feel the lock IS correctly applied. Do not try to though it out through the pain.

    I would also recommend being careful with stretching. a stretch should work on muscles not on joints. your joints are still growing. You do not want to deform them or cause chronic ligament/tendon problems.
     
  2. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Honestly I wouldn't do anything like hitting a board with your bare knuckles. Not a good way to prepare for anything.

    Also, watch Never Back Down. You're 14, it will change your life ;)
     
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  3. Jaydub

    Jaydub Valued Member

    You should also check out Bloodsport like I did when I was your age. The story is questionable, but the movie itself is epic!
     
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  4. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Watch 'Choke' featuring Rickson Gracie.
     
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  5. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    Whereas I watched The "once upon a time in China" series and most other Jet Li/Jackie Chan/Sammo Hung/Gordon Liu, so I ended up investing a lot of time in KungFu and Wushu :D
     
  6. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Yes do...then watch it again
     
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  7. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Then watch "Kings of the Square Ring" - I believe it is on Youtube
     
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  8. Light25

    Light25 New Member

    Thank you, I will ask to start easy on locking techniques, at the moment the moves seem real basic like if someone were to grab your wrist, etc. Should I ask to apply less force when we practice these moves? Thanks for the tip, so when you say be careful with stretching, you mean don't try going into full splits or going too far with toe reaching stretches yet until I'm a little older? I can mentally handle pushing against some resistance but if it's not good to do at my age I won't push it right now.

    Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. What about board breaking? Do most guys start in their early teens or is that best to wait when older? And I've seen some of that movie but I should probably watch the rest of it :)

    I definitely wanna see that now, the fight scenes look awesome, thanks.

    I will check this out as well.

    So many movies for me to watch lol, I love Jackie Chan and Jet Li movies. I've been recommended to watch their movies by others before. Probably why I took some interest in kung fu. Wasn't Once upon a Time in China Jackie's first film?

    Have to check this out as well.
     
  9. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Breaking boards really does nothing at all. Wouldn't bother with it unless you just want to show off.
     
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  10. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    I'd disagree, but agree that it is a small part of a curriculum. :)
     
  11. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    It takes a while to get the feel for joint locks. Once the partner has got the lock to the point where it is beginning to come on they have control and the lock is inevitable. There is no point in them applying more and more pressure, it would simply result in more pain. So tap out as you feel the joint locking and before the joint is pushed so far that it hurts.
     
  12. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Well express your opinion, I think the OP wants to hear what board breaking is about.
     
  13. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    Jet Li plays Wong Fei Hong in Once upon a time in China series, and Jackie Chan plays Wong Fei Hong in Drunken Master, not their first films but certainly stand out as their biggest films of the time.
    If you do watch it enjoy it for the display, but remember it's a display not real fighting.

    Too true, breeze blocks and Ice blocks (preferably flaming) is where it's at.
     
  14. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Why you'd let anyone do this to you is beyond me...

     
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  15. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Generally, the ability to take a kicking and keep on ticking is a very useful skill.

    Hell, that's how daredevil wins many of his fights!
     
  16. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    not my cup of tea but I can see why some people might do it. all apart from the last drill when the partner stands on his head. getting a partner to stand on any joint is plain wrong. Standing on the head puts uncontrolled pressure on the joints of the plates of the skull and will transfer uncontrolled taulk down the joints of the neck. that is plain stupid.
     
  17. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    A friend of mine did southern praying mantis for a while. in the club he was at they didn't really use pads. they just hit each other. Hard. they began with striking the arms and legs for the first few months, then they added in strikes to the shoulders and upper back for few months and then added in strikes torso a few moths after that. He said that he was surprised by (A) how hard he could hit the senior grades with no apparent effect on them. an (B) how quickly he became conditioned to taking hits with relatively little effect on himself. He really enjoyed it.

    But - when they started doing strikes to the head he had to give up and find a new art because it gave him permanent head ache that only when away after he stopped training all together.

    Taking blows on muscles is one thing. taking blows on the trunk of the body (and the organs it contains) is another, and taking blows on the head is another again.
     
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  18. Light25

    Light25 New Member

    So are you saying breaking boards is good for training? Does it have any long term effects on your body if you do it often? Thank you.

    At the place I've been going to they haven't done any head standing so far I think but they will stand and put pressure on other parts of your body, was wondering if that's a bad thing or not, is it?

    They do something similar to this like what your friend had described, like hitting really hard to the arms, legs, center body and have dit dow ja for use after hitting the arms really hard, maybe sometimes throwing smacks or slaps to the head but no punches. Maybe stepping and standing on your abdominal but not the head. Is this type of training ok for my age?
    Thanks guys.
     
  19. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    If my 14 year old son was subjected to this in class the coach and I would be having serious words.

    Even as an adult I've leave any class that did this.

    It doesn't matter that it isn't a punch. A blow to the head is still a blow to the head and with the increased research surrounding head trauma I think this practice should be stopped immediately.

    I've said it before, train smart and train for life.
     
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  20. axelb

    axelb Master of Office Chair Fu

    Smacks or slaps to the head?
    You cannot "condition" your brain, so any training leading to it is pointless and dangerous.

    I'd also be out of there if that was happening.
     
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