Ancient Hebrew biblical martial arts!

I think the point is that it refers to a pagan god, not that the word is derived from Latin.

 

Stop making sense. This is not the thread for that.

 

They're gonna have issues with days of the week then!

 

I was gonna say that but then realised they have hebrew names for the days of the week.

I mean...what have the Roman's ever done for us eh?

 

Ironically when you watch the videos I think we can agree that no, it most certainly is not a martial art

 

They are probably just irritated that the Romans absolutely battered them with wrestling, boxing and actual martial prowess

Anyone mentioning Cohmrac Bas at this point will be shot.....

 

So do you think everyone who thinks krav is terrible, is anti semetic?
If no, why even bring it up, claiming those who aren't antisemitic do not mind being called anti semetic isn't true either.

I'm not anti semetic, and I very much mind being called that because some martial art taught in Israel is obvious bobbins.

 

+1 for bobbins

 

That's not how it works.

 

Greetings. Not that we don't like the term. The origin of the term's etymology and its meaning is one of the reasons given of why the term isn't applicable to Abir. Not because of it being Latin and Greek in origin. Language is not the problem the historical meaning of the term.

Similar to how the Torah never mentions any of the Pharoh's by name and instead just calls them all (פרעוה) because what was once believed by certain Egyptians about their rulers. Yes, this is an issue specific to Torah based Jews and I know is strange to most.

In addition to that we gave several other reasons besides that point on why it is not a martial arts, which it would appears everyone agrees that it is not a martial art, for different reasons mentioned by other posters above.

 

Like I mentioned, one of several reasons not only the one being discussed currently.

Besides, no one in the martial arts world considers Abir a part of the martial arts world so it is safe to say that just as we say it is not you would also say it is not a real martial art.

 

Frank dux seems too, as does Abir man, otherwise why would he be doing a martial arts pose, next to a martial artist, whom I imagine he met at a martial arts seminar, whilst talking about how they created each other's respective martial art systems.

 

Yehoshua Sofer - Wikipedia

So is any of the above information incorrect?

Or did your Israeli headmaster, run a KSW school, whilst being a rapper, after being born and growing. Elsewhere then in Israel.

 

Sports - Kuk Sool Won


And an interview with the headmaster, from before he remembered his Jewish martial art training, and about his actual training in KSW.

 

Dancing around mentioning the name of Mars is missing the point.

The videos show unrealistic fighting techniques and poor understanding of body mechanics against resisting opponents in a dynamic situation. It shows all the usual failings of martial arts that do not have any real pressure as a feedback system. The stuff you said about the videos only showing basics doesn't wash, either; basics are the bread and butter that you fall back on when under real pressure, and the idea that there is a hierarchy of advanced techniques that nullify basic techniques is a common misconception amongst martial artists whose training lacks realistic feedback. Advanced practice is a refining process, not an additive one.

If it's something you want keeping secret, why is the head instructor such a publicity hound? The photo on the official website of him posing next to Frank Dux eliminates any shred of credibility that he may have been hoping to garner.

 

This is why we think you are talking crap - because this is out there in full view and no mention of these mysterious teachers you throw it

Give it up because you now look desperate and dishonest rather than just dishonest

 

Greetings. Yes Frank Dux uses the languages that he knows as do many of the articles written by English speakers. That is not how the information really translates from Hebrew into English. Further, there are some who say that the term martial arts may not be or isn't applicable to everything that is out there. I, personally, concede that the martial arts community is the one that decides who is in and out of their community and who is not a part of their set definitions.

Given that a pose doesn't belong to any group of people and pose doesn't make one a martial artist. The interaction between them further doesn't mean they share the same positions and ideals about what they do as individuals. For example, 52 Hand Blocks practitioners have interacted with MMA practitioners before but that doesn't mean that 52 hand blocks had it origin as an officially recognized martial art. Nor does it mean that the creators of 52 hand blocks saw it as a martial art or that the martial arts world accepts it as such. Further, if a person teaches grappling like techniques that they learned from their family with no name associated with it, it doesn't mean that they BJJ nor does it mean they are a fake BJJ black belt. (Except if they are out claiming they are BJJ black belts.) If their family had/has no BJJ background and none of them are BJJ black belts, and they don't claim to be then one can't call them fake BJJ black belts. One can say I don't agree with their techniques and leave it at that.

To answer your last question, there are things that are forbidden for a Torah based Jew to do under normal circumstances that are not required for those who are not Jews to do. (this is described in the Jewish Talmud and in text known as the Mishnah Torah) That is why Jews, for the most part, have no history of proselytizing to the the world. It has never been considered a requirement that non-Jews must take on Jewish practices for any reason. If one looks around one finds all kinds of Torah based Jews who keep Torah who associate with the non-Jewish world while being guided by Torah based principles.

 

Sounds like word games to avoid the subject.

Plus how did he meet the martial artist in full martial artist costume, whilst he was also in full jewjutsu costume if not at a martial art seminar?

Plus you know, your head Master used to run a KSW martial art school, and then after a while remembered his ancient jewjutsu art and started teaching that instead.

So he's a life long martial artist, who has taught martial arts, with a martial artist, at a martial arts seminar.

 

Ps 52 hand blocks is another one of those fake martial arts only devised to separate a fool from their money, and I really do pity da fool who doesn't know this.

 

Young Men in Israeli Haredi Yeshiva Education


Interesting, according to this, Abir is a recreation.