Info on martial art schools

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Light25, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. Light25

    Light25 New Member

    But the places I listed are not like Tiger Shullmans right?
     
  2. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    One doesn't have to go to a school to have valid training. And no one worth paying attention to would think less of you for this. Whether one trains at a home, in a park or a rented place, or an actual school should not matter.

    However, the qualifications of your instructors do give me pause. They used to be students, but how advanced? What are their qualifications and experience to be teaching? I am particularly concerned because of your previous mention of "conditioning the head" in another thread. That, combined with what you said has me wondering if these people have enough experience to be teaching. I don't think less of you for that either, but it does make me concerned if you should be training from them.

    They studied under "Sifu trainers?" What does that mean exactly? They were instructors in training to be Sifu's? Their instructors specialized in creating Sifu's? How many years experience training under a Sifu do these people have?

    Maybe they are fine and qualified, but what you have said leaves me with questions and concerns for your safety in training.

    One small nit picky point to add. :) Dojo is a Japanese term for a school. If you are studying a traditional Chinese martial art, the term should be Kwoon. Google pulls up this.

    Kwoon definition - Google Search
     
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  3. Dead_pool

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  7. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    Ten tigers is Riley kellerMans place I believe, as well as studying hung gar for decades with some of the top masters in new york and Chinese wrestling he also has a bjj blue belt and studied judo and his assistant coach competes in sub grappling so is surprised he said he doesn't believe in grappling.. You sure it's the same place?
     
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  8. icefield

    icefield Valued Member

    If you are from cts lineage and want to train in New York contact David Ross he was his disciple and also ran new yorks premier sandals programme, not sure if he still teaches sandals or traditional stuff these days email him New York San Da | New York, NY
     
  9. Latikos

    Latikos Valued Member

    Give me a BJJ/ LL person with decent experience to teach a newbie (as in: It certainly wouldn't a blackbelt or it's style pendant to start with), who would be nice to teach me, and I'd take him/ her, as long as we get along.

    Essentially I'd say: If you like it there, stay, unless you actually have some reason not to stay there.
    You have written you're not sure if they're training you right - what do you mean by that? Or: What are the reasons, you have doubts?


    I can't really help about the clubs, because I'm not exactly from aro
     
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  10. Late for dinner

    Late for dinner Valued Member

    I think that this person has been to the Ling Nam KF club. I couldn't see the connection between Rik Kellermans Club (Ten Tigers) and the club this personw was training with. See the the following quotes -

    "ling nam kung fu school that you have to pay up front for 2 months before joining and trying a class. Is that a good thing or bad? They teach wing chun and hun ga which I know are close range kung fu styles. "

    "So for the hung gar/wing chun school, it seems the only way is to pay up front about $200 for 2 months then decide if I want to continue $100 for each month. They have an introductory demonstrating a little of what they teach but you can't participate in an actual free trial class. I'll ask if I can at least watch to get an idea of what training they do.

    They seem to be very against ground fighting or any grappling ot modern fighting combative concepts as the teacher there said he doesn't believe in that stuff. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad. What exactly do they do in wing chun and hung gar? Is it more practical and useful compared to CLF and other styles? Does it have good advantages? "

    Make sense?

    LFD
     
  11. Light25

    Light25 New Member

    Thanks. I just wasn't sure how any would react to this.

    Thank you for the clarification. At least I know now.

    Hmmm this I will look into, thank you.

    This too.

    I heard he was good, maybe one of the best kung fu schools in NY. Not sure if that is true or not but if he is please let me know.

    I don't know who he is but it looks like he trained under CTS so that must be a good thing right?

    Cause I'm not sure on what is considered proper training, I mean it looks like a lot of sanda and mma schools have a good set up for their trainings. I don't know if doing the horsestances, hitting your arms and legs will really do anything other than cause future problems, maybe cause I'm young or maybe I'm wrong? I've seen how in mma and muay thai they train hard but doesn't cause them any body damage and they do a lot more contact fighting. Right now I was doing a lot with conditioning arms and legs hitting, forms and some drills getting slaps to the head.
     
  12. Light25

    Light25 New Member

    Yes correct. I was talking about the Ling Nam club not liking the idea of using any grappling, from what it seemed. I think he said that's more in common with mma. Ling Nam is based on finishing off in a street fight mentality. I can't say if they are good or not since I haven't been able to try a class officially yet. I might have to join first for monthly if I ever decided to go there one day but I don't have enough knowledge to know what actual training they do. Now this guy Rik from Ten Tigers, is he a good kung fu trainer? I've never been there or know if he's good or not.
     
  13. Light25

    Light25 New Member

    So these are some of the places I checked out, let me know what some of you guys think, since I was looking for martial arts similar to the traditional styles I was doing.

    Karate For Kids, Teens & Adults | The Martial Arts Institute
    Ok it doesn't seem bad. The guy sounds like a good instructor. It feels more like a sport style of karate with competition fighting and some katas they do. I'm not sure yet if that's what I'm looking for though. It seems a bit pricey for almost 170 a month, but again I'd really have to try it to see


    Contact Goshinkan Ju-Jitsu Dojo In Merrick Long Island
    This I'm not so sure about yet. The head guy there says he trains security guards, police officers, FBI guys, military guys and such and uses the best system of street self defense. The belts seem a bit pricey for tests and I think it was 150-160 a month with only two classes available per week. Not sure if I could afford that but guaranteed his Jiujitsu works 100% against other places or soemthing? What does that mean?


    Max martial arts & Fitness Farmingdale
    I haven't heard much good about it so I'm not even sure if I will try it but could be worth a shot.

    Xinyi-Dao Kung Fu Academy
    Not sure haven't checked it out yet.

    http://adelkarate.com
    It looked ok. Seems to be very sport karate oriented and looks fun but I still have to think about it. There were some cool guys there at least.

    So what do you guys think? I just like to have second opinions before deciding, it's not like a made an official choice just yet. Thanks guys.
     
  14. Pretty In Pink

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    What is it you want out of martial arts man?
     
  15. Light25

    Light25 New Member

    To learn self defense, get in good shape, fight full contact, learn philosophy and discipline, internal and external healing and self confidence!
     
  16. Pretty In Pink

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    Right cool. Well as I posted earlier, self defence isn't a thing relating to martial arts. Self defence is all about not getting into all fight and learning how to avoid confrontation in the first place. Read Geoff Thompsons books.

    Get in good shape..... a lot of that comes down to hard training, but you also have to improve yourself outside of the classes too.

    Full contact fighting is what martial arts is for. If you can't fight full contact, you can't fight. Pretry much any combat sport will teach you that, or even better is Dog Brothers Martial Arts. I think they would tick a lot of your boxes.

    Learning philosophy... Well that's something you do in your own time. Martial arts is for learning how to fight really not much else. All that eastern mysticism is not going to teach you that much about yourself or life in general. Although I'd say learn to meditate and think for yourself.

    Discipline literally just means showing up on time with your uniform clean and hygiene in order. Standing in line and punching the air 100 times teaches you absolutely nothing.

    Healing... well I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'd say that martial arts "healed" me internally. I probably would have killed myself a few years ago. It improved my mental health and I don't know what I'd do without it. External healing I don't understand. You won't learn much in a martial arts class, although I'm sure someone here has stuff like "how to make splints" as part of their king fu classes and other basic first aid. I'd say just get a crash course in first aid.

    Self confidence comes with time. Definitely a good reason to start martial arts. Maybe one of the best.
     
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  17. Morik

    Morik Well-Known Member Supporter MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Any particular one? He seems to have written a lot.
    On self defense I see several... Dead Or Alive, The Fence, Three Second Fighter, The Art of Fighting Without Fighting, etc.
    Looks interesting, but I'm not sure where to start?
     
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  18. Light25

    Light25 New Member

    That's part of the confidence right? Like if you know you can handle yourself in a fight you can easily avoid one?

    Are there any kung fu schools that do full contact sparring?

    Will do. It seems like I've gotten caught up in the mysticism that some of that stuff "works" in martial arts, is there any truth to it?

    Completely agree, I feel like a lot of the line basic drills and constant practice of moves and forms in the air makes me feel like I'm wasting energy. Maybe there is some benefit to it but hitting the air full speed makes me feel limited in practicing the techniques properly, isn't it also bad for your joints to hit empty targets?

    Like proper breathing and I guess that would fall under meditation too, like developing inner energy which I heard works in martial arts. External meaning hard conditioning like bones, skin, etc. Like I mentioned before hitting the forearms and legs till they bruise a bit then rubbing some dit da alcohol they use in kung fu to heal the bruises. Kung fu does lots of external conditioning. But maybe I should hold off from this at my age and wait till I'm a little older?
     
  19. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Even if you DON'T know how to handle yourself in a fight, you can easily avoid one!!!
    But knowing how to fight will make it easier to walk away without "losing face," as the saying goes. You'll feel a lot less shame/embarrassment in walking away from a situation. (And for me, that makes a big difference.)
     
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  20. Pretty In Pink

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    Sort of. More than anything though self defence just means not getting involved with anyone who wants to fight. Awareness and avoidance are key. Be aware of your surrounding and being mindful of the people around you. Where the exits are, who is becoming aggressive, does that person have friends etc etc

    Yes, most famously is Sanda/Sanshou. There is also a Chinese grappling system akin to Judo that might be worth looking into.


    I wouldn't say you're caught up in it. You're asking questions and making judgements for yourself which a lot of beginners don't do or can't because they prefer being fed a certain line of thinking.

    Yeah there is benefit to line drilling. A warm up, or just to make sure everyone is doing the correct technique. If you're doing it for more than ten minutes it's counter productive though.


    That's pretty much all crap in my experience. Breathing is important for punching and kicking and absorbing strikes too but "chi" is not a real thing. Some people refer to chi as "good body mechanics" but I just call that "correct technique". Chi as described as arena kind of physical or metaphysical force is the highest order of silly and anyone telling you they can do anything with their "chi" has never had a real fight in their life.

    Body conditioning is absolute crap as a hobbyist. It does nothing exceptional at that level. Body conditioning is slightly more important when you are fighting competitively but outside of that it's useless and you shouldn't concern yourself with it. It would be WAY more beneficial to focus on strength and conditioning i.e cardio and lifting.
     
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