Spelling of the word "Phillipines"

[Scarlet Mist]

How do you spell it? My friends from the Phillipines and the people in my Doce Pares Club spell it "Phillipines", and that's what's printed on the T - Shirts we got courtesy of Guro Dong. But here I see it spelt "Filipines" and abbreviated FMA. What's going on?

[Yin and Yang]

This sounds like a question for dori_kin_86!!!!

[Bayani]

It's spelled Philippines , The Pilipino alphabet does not have the letter "F" so the spelling Filipino is for the english language. In tagalog our national language it's Pilipino.

[JohnnyX]

Originally Posted by Bayani

It's spelled Philippines , The Pilipino alphabet does not have the letter "F" so the spelling Filipino is for the english language. In tagalog our national language it's Pilipino.

The English Language does have P and H, so why change the spelling to F in English?

[Bayani]

Good Foint

[shootodog]

philippines = the place where there are great beaches, beautiful women, great food, good rhum, great beer, great coffee, great cigars, great dive sites, and kali. also the home of the 2nd largest raptor in the world. it's named after king philip of spain by magellan (magallanes) who "discovered" the islands.

pilipino(1)= the official language. a mixture of dialects dominated bt tagalog.

pilipino(2)= a native of the philipines.

filipino(1)= the english of pilipino.

i suppose our american colonizers found pilipino too "hard" and found philipino too akward looking. so i suppose they decided to go with filipino. they also took away a lot of "bite" from pilipino culture, such as the repression of the sport of arnis and escrima, putting in it's place a form of takraw called sipa (which is hardly ever played here), changing the national bird from the philippine eagle to the maya, underplaying the role of bonifacio in the revolution, etc.

pinoy= bastardization and a popular term for anything filipino.

flip= a derogatory remark for filipinos in the u.s.

[deCadena]

The etymology of the word initiates itself from the word Filipinas in honor of king Philip. As my comrades here have explained. The spelling herewith is Philippines in recent times. The change from Pilipino to Filipino has been adopted with the absorption of the alphabet. It is also true that the original Filipino alphabet didn't contain as much letters as the english alphabet.

The adoptation evolved from "a b k d e g h l p r s t u w y" to a hispanic form of "a b c d e f g h i j k l m n (n) (ng) o p q r s t" lastly to the english alphabet as we know it today.

Regardless of what spelling is presented forewith, the basic essence is there.

Cheers!

[shootodog]

Originally Posted by deCadena

The etymology of the word initiates itself from the word Filipinas in honor of king Philip. As my comrades here have explained. The spelling herewith is Philippines in recent times. The change from Pilipino to Filipino has been adopted with the absorption of the alphabet. It is also true that the original Filipino alphabet didn't contain as much letters as the english alphabet.

The adoptation evolved from "a b k d e g h l p r s t u w y" to a hispanic form of "a b c d e f g h i j k l m n (n) (ng) o p q r s t" lastly to the english alphabet as we know it today.

Regardless of what spelling is presented forewith, the basic essence is there.

Cheers!

aba! you're absolutely right! my "legazpi map" replica says: "las islas filipinas"

btw, i though the "ng" was part of the original baybayin/ alibata? as in a b k d e g h i l m n ng p r s t u w y

[deCadena]

the root of the ng is shrouded with shadows. though i simply included them in the alphabet evolution to indicate that there is indeed a development therein. consequently, "ng" is more filipino than spanish in root. the inclusion within the alphabet is rather not a transition from one alphabet to another specifically but rather a consensus among scholars to be included.

it simply makes sense that the filipino language is a living language both in usage and aesthetic aspects.

Cheers!

[Bayani]

Nice one guys. I forgot some of that stuff. Can anyone verify if the Philippines prior to the coming of the Spanish was know as Maharlikas?

[deCadena]

I cannot wholeheartedly agree with stating that "maharlikas" original name of the Philippines. I'm a sceptic in this aspect, for the main reason that in the pre-hispanic era, one would undeniably agree the existence of datus and their own land in which they rule and thus having a particular name for it. "MayNilad for manila" is but an example of this. Note also that when Magellan came and ascribed the name Islas de San Lazaro, he wasn't aware of the size of the Philippines yet. He was merely ascribing the name to samar and leyte group of Islands.

Cheers!

[Crucible]

Originally Posted by Bayani

Nice one guys. I forgot some of that stuff. Can anyone verify if the Philippines prior to the coming of the Spanish was know as Maharlikas?

Bayani, I notice in a lot of the Pekiti website's they refer to the Philipines as the Maharlikas, can you find out what the basis for this is. I've been going through F.Landa Jocano's "Filipino Prehistory" and E.P. Patanne's "The Philippines in the 6th to the 16th centuries" and I've found some Bruneian and Chinese names for portitions of the Philipines but nothing that encompised the entire region that we call the Philipines today

[Bayani]

Sorry Bro, I am no Historian. I don't have any evidenrce of this too. When it comes to Historical Background I still am a student of handed down oral traditions subject to hearsay and inconsistencies I decided to focus on my skills to do the talking. I cant argue facts but when you take someone out there's no argueing the effectiveness of what you know and where it came from . I certainly did not invent it so it must come from somewhere from the past . And even if it's been invented today or yeasterday, if it's cool and it works then count me in. The Past History I know comes form the stories from different Manongs. It's also been brought to my attention to include the links of FMA to the Madjapahit empire at least PTK links Kali to this point even the Silat Pendekars who traveled in the cirlces of Gaje, Inosanto Jafrie had a group called Madjapahit Kali. I wonder what did our ancestors reffer to our lands prior to the coming of the Spanish? I remember Eddie Elarde from "student canteen show" often reffer to the Philippines as the Maharlikas. There was a move way back in the late 70's to change the Philippines to Maharlika but looks like it did not pass. The arguement was that it's was the original name of our country but I don't find any sources maybe our resident historians in this thread can help us.

The old debate of Kali-Arnis -Eskrima has been going on over and over and over...fact is we have little writen History. It's hard to prove or disprove. BUt actions speak louder than writen words. Who cares if I call it Kali , or whatever. The essence of what the word brings to your art is far more important. If your instructor wants to call it Juramantado arts because he is inspired by that word or it brings out the essence of the Juramantado then whatever works I say. Leave it to the Historians to write their books and debate things. If I'm right or wrong about my version my martail history, it's not going to change the way I fight or train.

[Crucible]

Good pionts, thanks.

[estudyante]

hey folks,
i'm new to the forum and i would like to add a little bit of history.

the name maharlikas as an alternate name for the Philipinnes is a romanticised version of history. probably stemmed from marcos himself since the government radio back in his days was also called the "maharlika broadcasting system". in our trading days before the spanish so called "discovery", Luzon was actually called Lusung and in the late 1400's Lusung became rich in it's trade with the ming empire. tungdu(now Tondo) was it's capital. Lusung also became the sole distributor of chinese goods in southeast asia. to the chinese the PI is known as Lusung (or at least the northern now known as Luzon)

the visayas name is short from shri vidjaya. sorry but i don't know much about mindanao. my point is that calling the PI as maharlika, which means royalty, would have as much meaning as calling our country from it's namesake who happens to be a tyrant even to his own country.

my accounts of Lusung history was obtained from my friend's research.