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10-Dec-2009, 03:27 AM
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Internal Silat?
Is there any silat styles that focus more on internal power?
Say for example like tai chi or similar? Sys. 
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10-Dec-2009, 08:19 AM
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The question is very obtuse as pretty much any style can have more or less so called "internal" components. I found the following stuff more on the "internal side" for Silat:
Form: Some nice explanations of various components from a seminar: Quite a few more vids on their channel too.
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16-Dec-2009, 08:22 PM
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Well if he is anything like his mate Nicholoas Blanchette then you probably wont be very welcome unless your a Muslim and then you can look forward to learning a very unique twist on where Silat comes from etc
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22-Dec-2009, 07:00 PM
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Merpati Putih is very well known!
It is very well known in Indonesia.
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19-Feb-2010, 11:08 PM
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Just to clarify,Simon Das who is demonstrating/teaching in the above clips does not have a "Muslims only" policy whatsoever.
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08-Mar-2010, 10:02 AM
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11-Mar-2010, 03:14 PM
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I have never been fond of those internal demonstrations, but it is not exclusive to Silat! Breaking is done in many martial arts. Hard brittle metal is a favourite i.e. bits of cast iron or metal files because they snap easily. Fire walking and also that lame trick when you hit the neck of a bottle and cause the bottom to blow out...none of this is internal!
To say internal sounds like BS to a jujitsu practitioner is stupid though because jujitsu is from Japan originally and they also have the concept of and practice internal, Ki exercises so they would not think the consept was BS at all. Also its easy to search youtube and find someone who is crap at BJJ and say all BJJ looks like this also! Last edited by Narrue; 11-Mar-2010 at 03:17 PM.
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20-Mar-2010, 03:30 PM
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As someone who has left silat and now does BJJ, I can say from experience that there is no substiture for hard, physical training practised in a realistic and non-choreographed manner.
I haven't forsaken my internal practices, but have put them into context and make them work for me in the right ways. Quote:
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12-Apr-2010, 09:36 PM
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Anyone who would do these internal things, I would say be careful! The old masters said if you do not apply practice with knowledge you will never pass the gate of death.
What they were talking about is those who engage in internal practices without a deep knowledge of what they are doing. There is a danger of speeding up internal time in the body, this translates as increased rate of cell division and the danger of cancer. Do some research, you would be shocked at the number of these internal practitioners who develop cancer.
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13-Apr-2010, 02:52 AM
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Intersting post Narrure, got any links to evidence of such occurences?
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13-Apr-2010, 08:43 AM
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Don't worry about the internal training in Silat.
If you concentrate on your training wholistically and passionately, you'll get it. Seriously.
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13-Apr-2010, 02:08 PM
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Quote:
Romana Maharishi Vivekananda Ramakrishna Sri Aurobindo The mother (mirra Alfassa) Madam Blavatsky (author of the Secret doctrine and founder of the Theosophical society) Helen Roerich Nisargadatta Maharaj Vanga Osho (Bhagwan shree Rajneesh) Castaneda In Russia a study conducted showed that energetic healers (its very popular in Russia) who graduate from such training schools and practice energetic healing with regularity. Within 7-10 years of continuous practice 70% of them can be expected to get cancer. I was told in the past by a few internal teachers that incorrect practice could lead to such things but I always thought that they were just being secret with their techniques. Now I'm more inclined to agree which is why I say be careful.
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13-Apr-2010, 03:41 PM
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Interesting! Most of the folk you mention are from Indian traditions (however a lot of them are old and lived in times when medicine and knowledge of carcinogens wad quite basic to non existent). I have heard before that their methods mostly incorporate the raising of energy, without coresponding lowering as in most Chinese systems. The rising is associated with Yang, expanding, growth, etc, hence cancer is not an unfeasable result. Also, I hear in the Indian traditions there is much more emphasis on results, no matter at what cost. Chinese methods on the other hand ephasise health and balance. Would I be right in assuming Silat methods are more akin to Indian ones?
If you have a link to the Russian study, I would like to have a look (I'm a native Russian speaker). My search yielded no such results. Cheers!
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13-Apr-2010, 08:41 PM
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I cant locate the report but it was carried out by specialists from Russia’s academy of national security.
I think you will find there are high accounts among Chinese internal masters also so its not just Indian masters. In reality there is one source of this knowledge and one method although today it is degraded to the point that people talk about Indian siddhas method, the Chinese internal method, Kabalah etc. People argue about what is the better and who knew it first. If we go to the ancient text we are told where it came from. The Chinese talk about the “Shining ones”, the Indian Veda talks about the Aryans, In Tibet they talk about the naga kings. The first Pharaohs of Egypt were not native Egyptians and this is the origin of the Kabalah. The Chinese actually found the “Shining ones” or the remains of them anyway but don’t expect them to make any official announcements any time soon because it hasn’t turned out as they would have wanted. Unofficially we know there are several pyramids in china. The Chinese government refuse to acknowledge there existence because naturally the question would be who build them? Well it was the “shining ones” who built them but when they dug up the remains and found they were tall Caucasians with red hair and green/blue eyes they decided they were not going to announce it to the world. We would know nothing about this if it wasn’t for one archaeologist who smuggled the info out of china. In one occasion the government even paid a farmer to grow crops on top of the pyramid in an attempt to hide it from satellite lol The Pharaohs (the origin of this knowledge in Egypt) used the words Ka which means Yin and Ba which means yang when talking about these energys. You can understand the origins of the word Kabalah. These people were the architects of the ancient pyramids all over the world, and by the way people still don’t understand what a pyramid is. They think it’s a tome for a Pharaoh. Archaeologists have a hard time understanding how Egypt and Sumer suddenly appear from nowhere in a high state of civilization. This is because they don’t take into account the possibility of a polar shift. The origin is under the sea and one day it’s going to be discovered. This internal knowledge along with other sciences was originally the property of royalty and the average man or woman did not know about such things. Lets not forget the origins of Qi gong in China are the Yi jin jing and the Xi sui jing brought to china by Bodhidharma who was a prince born into a royal family. We could talk about the Buddha also. There is only one reality to this, one origin, one science, one truth etc After studying such things in some depth this is my conclusion anyway ;-)
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