Reminds me of a dvd I once saw

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by zendog

Once again you take the low road to have a pop at anything tcc..

Harsh Zen though perhaps not completely unwarranted. My goal is to show the flaws in some tcc training to (hopefully) get people to start thinking again instead of accepting their sifu's view.

I think the video highlights, more than anything, the problem of martial art videos in general. Most of them end up making, what is shown in them, look awful because the demonstrators try to dumb down for the camera when they should do it properly and have it filmed from multiple angles.
The one TCC video I praised showed slowed down technique and full speed application. The slowed down versions did not have "extraneous" elements removed because there should not be any "extraneous" elements in a technique. A technique should include the entering, aligning and application/redirection of force also a disengagement or immobilisation. If you miss any of these elements out the technique will be degraded.

The Bear.

[Kaitain]

Interesting, if misguided.

Raw technique should be independent of tactical method when you are learning it. See the BJJ description I gave - that is a standard progression for technique based learning.

I'll define what I mean by 'extraneous' for you - the opponent not fighting back, not having an adrenaline surge, not having to adjust footwork, not having to wait for the opportunity to take the limb. Learning without having to worry about anything except the specific technique.

If you are learning a principle based system like TCC, then "the entering, aligning and application/redirection of force also a disengagement or immobilisation" are part of the principles, not part of any specific technique. Stick, adhere, connect and follow pretty much cover it.

[cloudz]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Harsh Zen though perhaps not completely unwarranted.

bah, don't take my gently intended ribbing harshly mate, you're a big bear you can handle it.

'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' - the fortune cookie is your friend.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Kaitain

If you are learning a principle based system like TCC, then "the entering, aligning and application/redirection of force also a disengagement or immobilisation" are part of the principles, not part of any specific technique. Stick, adhere, connect and follow pretty much cover it.

Surely not, The technique is nothing without the principles. It is the principles of TCC that make it effective not the techniques. Follow the principles and your techniques will always work, train technique only and your at the whim of circumstance.

The Bear.

[Kaitain]

isn't that what I said? We appear to be on the same page...

All Im saying is that it is useful to strip everything bar the basic technique out, in order to learn it. Once learned, then you put it into context again.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by zendog

bah, don't take my gently intended ribbing harshly mate, you're a big bear you can handle it.

'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' - the fortune cookie is your friend.

No offence taken but you handed a nice opener for my reason for posting.


P.S. I went to Hell and all I found was new labour.


The Bear.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Kaitain

isn't that what I said? We appear to be on the same page...

All Im saying is that it is useful to strip everything bar the basic technique out, in order to learn it. Once learned, then you put it into context again.

Cool, must have been the "interesting but misguided" statement that threw me.

Unfortunately the video threw alittle more out than that what you detailed.

The Bear.