Ninjutsu for Self Defence

[shinbushi]

As a Bujinkan guy that trains with aliveness. No Matt did not invent aliveness, it just has been his mission to preach it the the arts that have lost it, or never had it. He has stated many times that if he described aliveness to boxers, wrestlers, judoka, BJJ guys or any other athlete they would of course say that is the only way to train. It is for the typical martial artist and I think he went after the JKD community first as that was his background, that the preaching is to.
It has been posted many times before but the Aliveness FAQ is a good read.

[Atharel]

Originally Posted by Keikai

but again its individual also like this thread, its ninjutsu as self defense, it works for some, for others it does not look at connovar, he was probably a failure at this art but not at others, on the other hand have used it a few times for defense.........

How is it individual? You did nothing to dispute anything I said, you just repeated your statement and threw in an ad hominem for good measure.

[Connovar]

As an update, I just recieved video clip via a PM from an individual here that shows some alive training in the bujinkan. Its the first time I have seen it and I hope to see more of this type of training in the bujinkan.

Folks its not just a matter of what techniques you know that makes you an effective fighter, but the training method is just as important. In the street your opponent wont announce that he is now going to attack you with a tackle. He just does it and usually tries to bounce your head on the wall or concrete along with it. You need to come out of the flinch which is natural and automaticall respond in an effective manner whether you are standing or on the ground, wide awake or stunned.

Let me give an example of what different training provides. In 1981 I recieved my 1st Dan in classical Jiu-jitsu. We practiced locks, throws etc pretty much in a non alive fashion. However we sparred with striking and kicking in a more alive fashion albeit it was point sparring (with all of its own problems). Once another black belt and I were playing around sparring and went into grappling mode. What we both found was that both our previous techniques as competitive wrestlers were much more effective than the judo type throws etc that we practiced but never sparred with. This is not because judo throws were inferior, but was inferior was the way we trained them.Only those skills we had honed against resisting partners would work consistantly and effectively.

This is why alive training is so important. Your opponent on the street will resist automatically and attempt to defeat you while you try to defeat him. Its the basic equation of combat.

[sync]

Could you post a link to the Bujinkan video you recieved?

[xen]

Originally Posted by sync

Could you post a link to the Bujinkan video you recieved?

it was sent via PM, so before a link gets posted, could connovar check with the person who shared it with him that they are happy for it to be public.

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[shinbushi]

It is a flash of my dojo's sparring, not alive drilling. just to be clear. I showed it to Connovar to show that some Bujinkan dojos do spar. I don't want it posted here as an example of 'Bujinkan sparring' for 3 reasons.
1. It is from my mixed art class so it is not limited to training my students have received in my taijutsu classes.
2. They are mid Kyu level.
3. I had already posted in on Bullshido as I wanted to prove my dojo trains in an alive manner and to get some feedback. I do not need to do this on MAP.

[Keikai]

Originally Posted by shinbushi

I do not need to do this on MAP.

and you shouldnt need to, training is personal, not for everyones amusement.

[Atharel]

Unless you make claims about said training. If you don't make any claims about what it is, no one will ask you to back those claims up.

If I claim that I am the owner of Microsoft, I would be expected to provide proof, even though my job is personal. Making claims about your training necessitates substantiation.

[althaur]

Atharel, he does. He has no reason to prove it to you. If he felt the need I'm sure he would have sent it to you also. Have a great night.

[Atharel]

Originally Posted by althaur

Atharel, he does. He has no reason to prove it to you. If he felt the need I'm sure he would have sent it to you also. Have a great night.

He does what? And he has no reason to prove what? Who is he? Why are you incoherent?

Shinbushi isn't the one making claims, and I've seen his video anyway.

[DJDREAMAKER]

Originally Posted by Akasha

Any thoughts on how good Ninjutsu is for Self Defence?

WITH THE PROPER TEACHER AND PROPER MINDSET, NINJUTSU IS THE ULTIMATE SELF DEFENCE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN COMBAT TESTED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGAINST MANY VARIOUS WEAPONS AND ENEMIES.
BEFORE HATSUMI SENSEI MET O'SENSEI TAKAMATSU, HE WAS ALREADY AN EXPERIENCED DOCTOR AND HAD VARIOUS DEGREES OF BLACKBELTS IN MANY MARTIAL ARTS AND WAS TEACHING THEM IN HIS OWN DOJO. HOWEVER, HE COULD TELL THAT THE FOCUS WAS MAINLY KATA AND KNEW THAT NONE OF THESE ARTS WERE THE TRUE FORM OF MARTIAL ARTS SO HE SEARCHED FAR AND WIDE ACROSS MOST OF JAPAN UNTIL HE MET O'SENSEI TAKAMATSU AND AFTER ONLY TWO DAYS OF TRAINING WITH HIM, HE STATED NOT ONLY THAT HE HAD FOUND THE TRUE SOURCE OF MARTIAL ARTS BUT ALSO THAT ALL THE OTHER KNOWLEDGE AND BLACKBELT DEGREES IN THE OTHER ARTS WERE WORTHLESS COMPARED TO WHAT HE HAD FOUND. THAT IS THE GRANDMASTERS PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS MINE... I HAVE BEEN STUDYING NINJUTSU SINCE I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD AND I HAVE BEEN IN MANY FIGHTS SINCE (INCLUDING TWO WARS WHERE I DID KILL EIGHT PEOPLE IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT)AGAINST EXPERIENCED MARTIAL ARTISTS AND STREET-FIGHTING THUGS ALIKE, NOT ONLY AM I STILL ALIVE, I HAVE COME OUT VICTORIOUS IN EVERY SINGLE FIGHT.

[Lily]

DJDreamaker, welcome to MAP. Just some friendly advice, please take off the caps lock button when posting to make your posts easier to read.

Next point, I'm the last person who would make fun of anyone (and in your case I'm a little scared as you have 'killed eight people in hand to hand combat') but the circumstances call for it.

You're a tool and I don't believe your post.


Buh-bye,
Lily

[althaur]

Originally Posted by Atharel

He does what? And he has no reason to prove what? Who is he? Why are you incoherent?

Shinbushi isn't the one making claims, and I've seen his video anyway.

It must have been coherent if you were able to read it. From the timing of your post I responded to, I thought you were questioning Shinbushi. Ahem, my mistake.

We still come back to the point, that no one on here is obligated to PROVE anything to you or anyone else though.

[Matt_Bernius]

Originally Posted by DJDREAMAKER

WITH THE PROPER TEACHER AND PROPER MINDSET, NINJUTSU IS THE ULTIMATE SELF DEFENCE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN COMBAT TESTED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGAINST MANY VARIOUS WEAPONS AND ENEMIES.

Unless this was some weird sort of performance sarcasm, 2 things:

1. Don't post in all caps.

2. Please don't claim that Ninjitsu/Tai jistu/Etc is thousands of years old. Or that it is the ultimate self defense.

Both of these above things only serve to undercut your arguement and credibility.

- Matt

[Atharel]

Originally Posted by althaur

It must have been coherent if you were able to read it. From the timing of your post I responded to, I thought you were questioning Shinbushi. Ahem, my mistake.

We still come back to the point, that no one on here is obligated to PROVE anything to you or anyone else though.

No one is obligated to prove themselves to me (or anyone else with critical thinking skills) only insofar as they are not required to be taken seriously. If asking for proof is bothersome, don't make claims that warrant substantiation.