Maphilindo Silat Questions

[Ashton]

Hello All,

I've long been interested in the Indonesian arts ever since reading Bob Orlando's "Indonesian Fighting Fundamentals" book. I have the opportunity to train with a local group that teaches Maphilindo Silat. I've done searches on the web & seem to keep coming up with the same material over and over again (namely that it is Dan Inosanto's personal style, that it is drawn from Malaysia, the Phillipines, Indonesia etc).

I'm looking for information on the various component arts of Maphilindo Silat---in other words, what Silat styles does it emcompass. What are the principles, techniques that I might be learning? What makes it unique among Silat styles?

I was also told that there was some Kuntao inherent in Maphilindo & was wondering if anyone could tell me what type of Kuntao that might be & how it influences the Maphilindo system.

It seems to me that Sialt would likely complement all the FMA I'm doing. I know I'm asking for a lot of info here, but I can't seem to find much elsewhere and I haven't had a chance to discuss it in depth with the local teacher. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Ashton

[Silatyogi]

Originally Posted by Ashton

Hello All,

I've long been interested in the Indonesian arts ever since reading Bob Orlando's "Indonesian Fighting Fundamentals" book. I have the opportunity to train with a local group that teaches Maphilindo Silat. I've done searches on the web & seem to keep coming up with the same material over and over again (namely that it is Dan Inosanto's personal style, that it is drawn from Malaysia, the Phillipines, Indonesia etc).

I'm looking for information on the various component arts of Maphilindo Silat---in other words, what Silat styles does it emcompass. What are the principles, techniques that I might be learning? What makes it unique among Silat styles?

I was also told that there was some Kuntao inherent in Maphilindo & was wondering if anyone could tell me what type of Kuntao that might be & how it influences the Maphilindo system.

It seems to me that Sialt would likely complement all the FMA I'm doing. I know I'm asking for a lot of info here, but I can't seem to find much elsewhere and I haven't had a chance to discuss it in depth with the local teacher. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Ashton

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As far as I could tell when I studied it and when it was being taught to me.......

Buktinegara, Serak, Mande Muda, Bersilat, Muay Thai, Empty Hand Kali Dumog, Pangamut & Panatuken

[serakmurid]

I also remember doing elements of Harimau, Kari and Sha Bandar, but maybe those arts are included in Mande Muda. Any Mande Muda pesilat care to correct me?
I believe there are silat groups in southern Thailand that mix Muay Thai into their arts,anyone care to comment. At one point Guru Dan mentioned he was leaning more towards Thai style entries rather than Kali entries.
Guro John Lacoste reportedly learned silat from 3 Filipino tribes in Mindanao, and from there comes some of the Filipinio style silat.
Nowadays I think there would be a heavier inclusion of Serak. At least when I saw Guru Dan Inosanto in Las Vegas this past June he was doing that.
Hasn't the name been changed to Majapahit Martial Arts? I seem to recall some other organization using the name prior to Guru Dan's usage, so he changed it.
Hormat,
Mas Serakmurid

[Silatyogi]

Originally Posted by serakmurid

I also remember doing elements of Harimau, Kari and Sha Bandar, but maybe those arts are included in Mande Muda. Any Mande Muda pesilat care to correct me?

Those are taught in Mande Muda along with Cimande, Sera and pamonyet, Macan. Mande Muda teaches all these things seperatly and completely. Guru Dan is doing a more of "Blend" of the silats with Thai Boxing.

[Silk Road]

Guru Dan, aside from being a phenomenal teacher and practitioner, has a broad understanding of many martial arts - silat included. Plus, he is always happy to recommend a teacher, should you choose to specialize in a particular art.

He can give you a solid foundation in concepts from several silat styles, and then if you want to take it further, he'll direct you to a good source.

Good Luck,
Silkroad

[amirul_tekpi79]

Peace to all,

Dear Silatyogi,

Bersilat means 'to do silat'. For example, 'Rahim sedang bersilat di halaman rumah.' Meaning 'Rahim is doing/practicing silat in the courtyard.'

I think what you are trying to convey here is 'Malaysian Silat'.

My question is which Malaysian Silat style was blended in the Maphilindo/Majapahit silat?

Thanks in advance.
Peace

[Silatyogi]

Originally Posted by amirul_tekpi79

Peace to all,

Dear Silatyogi,

Bersilat means 'to do silat'. For example, 'Rahim sedang bersilat di halaman rumah.' Meaning 'Rahim is doing/practicing silat in the courtyard.'

I think what you are trying to convey here is 'Malaysian Silat'.

My question is which Malaysian Silat style was blended in the Maphilindo/Majapahit silat?

Thanks in advance.
Peace

Yes you are right. Guru Dan however called it Bersilat. I think one of his silat teachers was a Seni Gayong player. I am not sure I remember Guru Cass Magda telling me Guru Dan had studied Seni Gayong as well as other styles of silat. He studied with the late pak Herman Suwanda, Pendekar Paul Dethouars & his brothers, Guru Steven Plinck, Eddie Jaffri, Juanito Lacoste, John Dejong, Rudy Tinderlin, James Ingram. There are probably more that who taught him that most of us are not aware of. I am sure he is still researching his Silat. I know Guru Cliff Stewart braught Pendekar Steven Benitez to the Inosanto Academy. I am sure Wali Songo made an impression on Guru Dan.

And Yes Guru Dan is a great teacher and a great person and he will deffinetly point you in the right direction if you want to go further in your training.
If it wasn't for him many of us in the US wouldn't even know about SILAT. He has always been a huge influence on the US in Southeast Asian Martial Arts.

Adat & Hormat,
silatyogi

[Kiai Carita]

Originally Posted by Silatyogi

Yes you are right. Guru Dan however called it Bersilat. I am sure Wali Songo made an impression on Guru Dan. And Yes Guru Dan is a great teacher and a great person and he will deffinetly point you in the right direction if you want to go further in your training.If it wasn't for him many of us in the US wouldn't even know about SILAT. He has always been a huge influence on the US in Southeast Asian Martial Arts.
Adat & Hormat,
silatyogi

With all due respect to Mr. Dan Inosanto I find it strange that he carries the title Ustadz, but I never hear of him techingthe reading of the Qur'an. Can anyone explain this?

Thanks

KC.

[SilatSeeker]

Kiai, I'm a bit confused. I read the whole thread here - even did a search - no where can I find Danny Innosanto referred to as "Ustadz" except in your referrence. Did someone delete a post? What am I missing?

[Kiai Carita]

Originally Posted by SilatSeeker

Kiai, I'm a bit confused. I read the whole thread here - even did a search - no where can I find Danny Innosanto referred to as "Ustadz" except in your referrence. Did someone delete a post? What am I missing?

Not mentioned on this post, I have seen the title elswhere on the web.

KC

[tellner]

The question isn't "What has Guru Inosanto learned?" It's "What hasn't he learned?" The man has been just about everywhere and studied just about everything, mastered most of it and has remained a wonderful human being. If anyone deserves the title Pendekar it's him.

[SilatSeeker]

Kiai,

Could you please reference the websites where you said Dan Innosanto refers to himself with the title of "Ustadz" or Pendekar?

[Kiai Carita]

Originally Posted by SilatSeeker

Kiai,

Could you please reference the websites where you said Dan Innosanto refers to himself with the title of "Ustadz" or Pendekar?

I will when I come across one again, I did not note them but it has popped up more than once or twice while I surf. I do not mean any disrespect just curious whether the full meaning of the word was understood.

Salam,
KC

[Kiai Carita]

Originally Posted by Kiai Carita

I will when I come across one again, I did not note them but it has popped up more than once or twice while I surf. I do not mean any disrespect just curious whether the full meaning of the word was understood.

Salam,
KC

A quick google search on ustadz did not match any documents but with ustad dan inosanto Mr google led me to the www.serak.com site, and a list of others below it. These guys seem to have the name Serak registered as a brand? With the R in a circle after the name? What does this mean?

Peace,
Kiai Carita.

[Silk Road]

Dan Insanto is most definately a Pendekar in every sense of the word. And as another poster has already stated, he is one of the most humble and approachable martial arts masters you will find. I have also never heard of anyone calling him 'Ustaz' except for that particular group. Perhaps they are unclear on the meaning of the word - which would make them just about as confused as many others in the western silat community regarding Malay culture.