Lucifer

[shaolin_hendrix]

Someone told me that Lucifer was the god of a very old religion, and that that religion was demonised so that people wouldn't follow that religion. Does anyone know anything about this?

[Kinjiro Tsukasa]

The name "Lucifer" means "light-bearer", and represents the state from which the devil had fallen (when he disobeyed God). The name is sometimes used as the actual name of the principal fallen angel.

You (or the person who told you this) may be confusing this name with "Lucifer of Cagliari", a fourth-century bishop who formed a small schismatic sect called the Luciferians. It didn't last beyond that generation.

[Infrazael]

Actually, Luciferianism is still present today, I believe it is a subsect of Satanism (other subsects include the Temple of Set, Diabolists, etc). . . . but I'm not 100% sure.

It is interesting stuff nontheless however.

[Kinjiro Tsukasa]

Originally Posted by Infrazael

Actually, Luciferianism is still present today, I believe it is a subsect of Satanism

I believe you're right about that, but it is definitely not the same thing as Lucifer of Cagliari's sect.

[Infrazael]

Satanism is a very interesting. . . . erghhh. . . . . . . religion (if I may call it that).

What exactly did Cagliari's sect believe in, if I may ask???

[Tothiel]

Well it depends. http://www.theoi.com/Ouranos/Hesperos.html There was a Roman god, Luciferus, translation is, Lucifer. (there are other names that this god goes by)


And, I also found this on the name "Lucifer" http://godkind.org/lucifer.html Just thought it was interesting.

[Kinjiro Tsukasa]

Originally Posted by Infrazael

What exactly did Cagliari's sect believe in, if I may ask???

Nothing all that exciting, I guess. Lucifer of Cagliari was angry at those who followed the Arian heresy, and he formed his own sect to exclude all who had strayed into Arianism. He consecrated a bishop in an area outside his jurisdiction (which he didn't have the authority to do), and hence, perpetrated a schism. (The Arian heresy denied the divinity of Jesus Christ).

[Knight_Errant]

The major issue being that the bishop arian converted a large number of the visigoths. Therefore, although the visigoths (who began to settle in spain alongside the citizens of the rapidly fading western roman empire) were christian, to the roman christians their faith was an obnoxious heresy. Bishop arian believed that although jesus was a prophet of god, he was not his son and had no divine origins.

Lucifer is a christian invention. However, satanism and devil-worship was identified by christian priests with believers in more native religions. Interestingly, many of the ceremonies of these native religions were in fact incorporated into the catholic church- e.g. christmas, all fool's day,etc.

[polecat63]

Originally Posted by Knight_Errant

Lucifer is a christian invention. However, satanism and devil-worship was identified by christian priests with believers in more native religions. Interestingly, many of the ceremonies of these native religions were in fact incorporated into the catholic church- e.g. christmas, all fool's day,etc.

Actually Lucifer has been around since Genesis. If you are a believer that means since before God made man. If you're not, that makes him about 7 to 10 thousand years old. Also, the church did not "inorporate" pagan rituals into the church, they arranged Christian holiday closer to pagan celebrations because native people were attending both celebrations. It forced native peeps to make a choice since they couldn't be in two places at one time.

[Knight_Errant]

Actually Lucifer has been around since Genesis. If you are a believer that means since before God made man.

Then again, I'm over the age of six and realise that Lucifer is a made-up person

Also, the church did not "inorporate" pagan rituals into the church, they arranged Christian holiday closer to pagan celebrations because native people were attending both celebrations. It forced native peeps to make a choice since they couldn't be in two places at one time.

Not the way I heard it...

[Infrazael]

It was the attempt in forced assimilation into Christian society.

Something extremely disgusting at best, although of course every Christian would deny it saying "We're saving them from hell!!!!!"

[AZeitung]

1. Early Christians didn't want to be persecuted, despite what some people on this board have claimed in other threads (and there is evidence of secrecy among the early Christians demonstrating this), and it was good to celebrate their holidays around other holidays to keep from being noticed.
2. A festival relating to "light" is a good time to celebrate Christmas if you don't know when the actual day should be, since Jesus was supposed to be the light of the world.
3. Infrazel is making assumptions, not basing his opinion on factual evidence that he's read anywhere.

[YODA]

Originally Posted by AZeitung

3. Infrazel is making assumptions, not basing his opinion on factual evidence that he's read anywhere.

Interesting assumption

[polecat63]

Originally Posted by Knight_Errant

Then again, I'm over the age of six and realise that Lucifer is a made-up person

Ah, yes. Another non-believer. That's okay, God still loves you.

Not the way I heard it...

See, that's the problem. You're just repeating something you heard, not something you know. The people you heard from were wrong, too.
Would you practice a MA that you just heard about and call yourself a master, or do you think you would have to actually learn it.

[Tothiel]

Ah, yes. Another non-believer. That's okay, God still loves you.

See, that's the problem. You're just repeating something you heard, not something you know. The people you heard from were wrong, too.
Would you practice a MA that you just heard about and call yourself a master, or do you think you would have to actually learn it.

Same could be said for religion. That's the funny thing about all religion, it's based on faith, no proof. So, maybe the people that wrote the bible are/were wrong, after-all, it's only what you heard/read. (This has nothing to do with what I believe, but it does apply)