Kihon Happo

[Ninjutsupupil]

Hey,im very new to the Bujinkan and was introduced a few nights ago to the 8 Kihon Happo. That night i struggled alot with the techniques and was wondering if anyone knew a site that has step by step instuctions with pictures for these 8 techniques. Thanks alot

[Kirberus]

Don't say 8 Kihon Happo first off, the extra 8 is redundant. Like saying the 8 Basic 8. Sorry, I'm kinda nitpicky.

Hmmmm, I know a bunch of sites with variations of the Kihon Happo but none with pictures. The problem with the websites is that they are the variations of the Kihon Happo that the person who made the website was taught, which might not be the same as what you are taught and you may not learn what your sensei wishes you to learn. It's one of the things with the Bujinkan not being quite as regulated as other arts, different teachers do things different ways because the art can change for each individual person to make it work better. You will have your own way of doing the Kihon Happo whenever you start teaching too.

Don't worry about struggling with the Kihon Happo though, it will come to you with time. I struggled with all of the Kihon Happo techniques when I was first introduced to them and now I can do them very easily although I'm still not very good at them. After a little while you'll start to remember all of them.

Another good strategy is to take a notepad to class and try to sketch the techniques in a way you can understand them, with sidenotes explaining what's going on, after you get shown the techniques or as soon as you can after class, be it in class or right when you get home. I did this for the Kihon Happo and used it kinda as my study guide for the first few weeks when I still didn't understand how to do the techniques. I think I still have the sketches somewhere. I even wen't so far as to write the techniques in both the romanized words with english characters and the hiragana. Didn't look up the kanji but I won't do that until I get a better set of sketches, mine right now is a bunch of stick figures. :P I can't draw too well, I gotta work on that. :P

[hatsie]

first 3 striking tech.

koshi sanpo, 1.ichimonji: (same as sui no kata in san shin) back 45 step forward omete shuto.

2. hicho; back 45(ish) off line, lower block, while dropping into hicho, spring up with kick, step forward with ura shuto.( sim. to ka no kata)

3. jumonji; back 45(not too far) block, drop weight with boshiken(thumb) to rib etc but driving down. fake eye's with fingers as you change side(repeat) opposite side.

torite goho(5 grappling tech.)
4(1) omete gyaku (uke land's on back)
5(2) ura gyaku ( .................... front)
6(3) musha dori
7(4) muso dori
8(5) o' gyaku or is it ganseki ???... i think o' gyaku, maybe honakudaki, do'h!

hth a bit

dazza

[Keikai]

Originally Posted by hatsie

first 3 striking tech.

koshi sanpo, 1.ichimonji: (same as sui no kata in san shin) back 45 step forward omete shuto.

2. hicho; back 45(ish) off line, lower block, while dropping into hicho, spring up with kick, step forward with ura shuto.( sim. to ka no kata)

3. jumonji; back 45(not too far) block, drop weight with boshiken(thumb) to rib etc but driving down. fake eye's with fingers as you change side(repeat) opposite side.

torite goho(5 grappling tech.)
4(1) omete gyaku (uke land's on back)
5(2) ura gyaku ( .................... front)
6(3) musha dori
7(4) muso dori
8(5) o' gyaku or is it ganseki ???... i think o' gyaku, maybe honakudaki, do'h!

hth a bit

dazza

That would be gansaki (throw a big rock)

I would not worry about picking it up, its a basic that you will be doing for the rest of your life (as long as you stay in the buj) you will pick it up sooner or later, maybe you should focus on your taihenjutsu as a start.

[eudobex]

Ok well I just started the kihon happo only a few weeks ago but I found www.winjutsu.com/ninjakids/techniques which has photos of all the katas.

8th kue

[sshh]

The kihon are kata that you will struggle with for a long time. Everytime I see them and practice them, I learn something new.

It's true that each dojo has their own way of doing the kihon happo depending on how the instructor learned them, or even may have several different variations that are still considered basic.

Also, while the first three (kosshi sanpo) are usually the same - ichimonji, jumonji, hicho - the five grappling kata (torite gohou) tend to differ.

The usual lineup is as follows:
1. omote gyaku (and / or omote gyaku ken sabaki)
2. ura gyaku (with hon gyaku shown as henka)
3. oni kudaki
4. musha dori
5. ganseki nage (sometimes with muso dori as henka)

The original kihon happo came from gyokko ryu, and the above is the new - bujinkan / hatsumi-ha - collection. I think the gyokko ryu kihon happo had it like this:
1. omote gyaku
2. omote gyaku ken sabaki
3. ura gyaku
4. musha dori
5. muso dori

Anyhow, just rest assured that these kata will be revisited time and again, so pay attention each time and try to do them as your instructor shows you.

Oh, btw, ichimonji kata is not the same as sui kata - they both end with an omote shutou, but the distance, postures, and feeling of the two kata are quite different.

[Keikai]

I think originally the torite goho was un-named techniques, they were always called technique 1, 2 etc up to 10 as they would do both sides.

[Peaceful Tiger]

Call me pedantic for pointing this out but surely if a technique is called Technique 1, Technique 2 etc., it isn't an un-named technique is it?.

[Keikai]

Yep your been pedantic, i just put down technique 1, it could be number 1, first technique, what ever you want but it did not originally have a japanese name!!

[Ninjutsupupil]

Taihenjutsu is front side and back rolls correct??

[Ninjutsupupil]

i checked out the link eudobex and couldnt find any pics ofthe Kihon ,just the Kamae thanks alot and keep posting plz

[Neil-o-Mac]

Originally Posted by Ninjutsupupil

Taihenjutsu is front side and back rolls correct??

Isn't Taihenjutsu just movement in general - walking, running, falling, rolling, jumping, flipping out etc?

[xplasma]

Originally Posted by hatsie

first 3 striking tech.

koshi sanpo, 1.ichimonji: (same as sui no kata in san shin) back 45 step forward omete shuto.

Actually they are quite different, the movement is similiar but not the same. Ichimonji No Kata represents the concept of In and Yo (Ying and Yang) where Sui No Kata represents the Idea of Water.

I know they teach the Katas the same in the Bujinkan, but they quite different.

Happo Kihon is made up of San Dan Gata and Torite Kihon of Gyokko Ryu. Ganseki Nage is not part of the Kihon Happo of Gyokko Ryu Happo Kihon is:

Ichimoni No Kata
Jumonji No Kata
Hicho No Kata

View 1 & 2 (Omote Gyaku from grab)
View 3& 4 (Omote Gyaku from grab and Tsuki)
View 5&6 (Ura Gyaku)
View 7&8 ( Musha Dori)
View 9 & 10 ( Muso Dori)

That is from Gyokko Ryu, the Bujinkan might have changed it.

[Peaceful Tiger]

Originally Posted by Greg Chapman

Yep your been pedantic, i just put down technique 1, it could be number 1, first technique, what ever you want but it did not originally have a japanese name!!

So technically then you couldn't say to someone, "Let's do the first technique", as they wouldn't have a clue what you were talking about?

My point is that just by even calling it the first technique or something like that....gives it a name and removes it from being an un-named technique.

[Brad Ellin]

My question, what is your source for the kihon happo NOT having names? Technique 1, 2 etc.. news to me. The names are rather descriptive, so I can't see how they would not have names. "Hey Bob, let's do that one where you know, you do that thing and then I do that other thing and then you fall down" Can't see as how that was passed down generations upon generations. Or even year to year. Maybe the names have changed over the years?