The old 'Bad Martial Arts Videos' thread has been locked following a long Mod review and discussion. I am opening this one for videos showing poor examples of martial arts. Please read and abide by the rules for posting in here. If you post a video please post a statement as to why you think that video is an example of poor martial arts. You must do this for every clip you post, no matter how obvious it may appear to you. Posts without a reasonable description will be deleted as spam and action will be taken against repeat offenders. 'This video sux, lol' is NOT a reasonable description. Treat this thread as method of educating newbies about what makes a poor martial arts clip, so try to include all the relevant points about what makes the clip you are posting bad. Thank you for your co-operation in this matter!
I may have posted this before; I don't remember. Aikido has always been a very stylized art, but this goes far beyond stylized into the realm of pure nonsense. I think we can all agree that there is no such thing as telekinesis, and if we watch the technique that starts at 0:11, it's clear that uke is putting himself into position to be thrown before Watanabe even touches him. That's just one example, but you get the idea. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L0dFcnux58"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L0dFcnux58[/ame]
That is a perverse carry over from the Confucian structure of thinking inherited from the Chinese centuries back. The idea that student must know his place in relation to the teacher for the harmony of society. Only in that video it's taken to charlatan levels for the purpose of coming across like some sort of mystical bad ass. Any 5th grade girl could have come out of the audience and put the hurt on that old dude. Fact. However because Japanese society is heavily stratified and very, very repressed. No one will step out of line to call shenanigans at this nonsense. At least certainly not in the immediate circle of people there. It's something of a component in human nature... this need to believe in the fantastic. Another perfect example of this is here: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I"]Kiai Master vs MMA - YouTube[/ame] Much of what I said above applies directly to this video. The old Japanese fella in this one clearly believes his own BS. And all his muppet students are busy shoring up that type of nonsense. I can only wonder what was running through their minds when their whole fantasy world collapsed as their supposed master was being punched and kicked in the face. No doubt had the internet not existed... guys like this probably would have gone down in history as mystical masters... which is why I find so many of the anecdotes handed out by the CMA crowd to be utter rubbish. If you look back at any existing pictures or footage of the Hong Kong rooftop fights or masters who agreed to square off in a ring... they're all absolute seething crap.
Actually Slip, I consider that a good video because it showed the "whole" story of what was going on. What I think you mean is that the martial arts in the video showed Yanagiryuken to be a fake. If anything was bad about the video, it was the quality of the video. Here is just the end fight of the video from a different camera. Much better quality: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jf3Gc2a0_8"]「柳　é¾æ‹³ï¼ˆåˆæ°—é”人)ã€å¯¾æˆ¦çµæžœï¼šæŽ¢åµãƒ•ã‚¡ã‚¤ãƒ« - YouTube[/ame] The above I don't consider to be a bad video. However, speaking of Yanagiryuken. The following video I think is a bad one: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBTWoIcDxOs"]☆GREAT AIKIDO MASTER YANAGI RYUKEN IN JAPAN MOVE LIST - YouTube[/ame] The reason I believe it is bad is something the same as what Slip was saying. The video is unethical. Consider these types of videos very dangerous because they tell a lie that is not so obvious. Beware of videos that are all and only "highlights" of techniques. These types of videos are fun to watch but unless you were there when the video was made, the only value to such videos is entertainment or advertising. IMHO.
Yeah what I was addressing was the whole issue of the phony master/cultural phenomena of no one saying peep about such nonsense - and then of course said phony master copping a beating. Not so much as in the video is bad or is trying to sell something it can't deliver on. Though the old bald dude does a pretty bang up job of writing check his face can't cash.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVMCDoRa49I"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVMCDoRa49I[/ame] For individual who has been teaching Kickboxing for over 20 years, I see some major problems here with his technique. The problems I see here is his foot work which is affecting his balance and the overall power of the kick. Now given that he is preforming the kick slowly, that could be the reason why his balance is off. The other reason I can see is here is in the mechanics of his kick. The most power in the kick in found in the 45 degree point (or half way point of the kick) of the kick rather than the 90 degree and beyond point which he is hitting the target at, when you don't kick the target at the 45 degree point, you will affect your balance and the overall power of the kick. The solution for him would be to step out with the front leg more to the left (when kicking from orthodox), so his left foot is outside, left of the target. This is often why you'll see Nak Muay step first before kicking. Bas Rutten explains the mechanics found in this style of kick: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ejw_S5M48"]How to kick Part 01 - YouTube[/ame] Though many styles of martial arts preform the round kick from a side on position, the mechanics of the kick are different eg; bringing the rear knee to front of the body then turning over the hips into the kick. However, even with the side on position, the supporting foot should be to the outside of the opponent before the executing the kick, in the below video you can see that clearly when the demonstrator is kicking the pad. As demonstrated here in the Revolution of Kicking: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfSfiOxsfTo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfSfiOxsfTo[/ame] The other problem is his posture, when you look at the examples that I've posted, none of the demonstrates are leaned over like him, rather they are leaning back slightly. Its basic physics, image a pair of old school scales or a seesaw; your kicking leg and your upper torso are like rods or beams with weights on them, with the center of your body being the axis. Whats happening is thing called counterbalance, when both sides are counteracting with each other. What I think is happening in Calasanzs case is that he is putting too much weight forward by hunching over while he's kicking, causing him to lose balance. This might be also due to him not pivoting his supporting foot enough. This is why those from a square stance take that step forward outside of their target before turning their hips over, and those from a side stance bring their kicking knee up to the front and then turn their hips over before throwing the kick. One way I know of that can help in maintaining posture during a kick is to look forward rather than directly at the target, especially when preforming low kicks.
Yes, all of his videos are pretty shocking. But I decided to post one of his kick boxing videos since that's the style I'm most familiar with what he claims to practice. You should check out his compilation videos...
According this video; Ancient Russian warriors used internal energy to manipulate and overcome their enemies on the battlefield through the years of 'secret' development of how the human mind responds to stress. Apparently their use of internal energy was so effective that the ancient Russian warriors could fight continuously on the battle field for days at a time. Mastering the application of internal energy resulted in less time training and producing an overall better warrior. This secret technique is now known as 'no contact combat'. In short, hypnosis. The problem is with anything such as hypnosis is that it requires a willing individual and a relaxed state of mind. Neither of which you'll on a battlefield or in a self defense situation or even in a sparring match. http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/extrasensory-perceptions/hypnosis.htm [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndpStzQRBR8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndpStzQRBR8[/ame]
I did some digging around the internet, and I found an excerpt from a Russian television show 'demonstrating' Systema Spetsnaz in sparring. Vadim Starov (the same individual featured in both of the above videos and founder of Systema Spetsnaz) attempts to use some of his 'no contact' methods. The result? Well, see for yourself (keeping in mind the claims he made in the previous videos I uploaded); [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NIxULhMGZA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NIxULhMGZA[/ame]
I wasn't sure on whether or not to post this in the bad boxing videos thread or here. But either way this video is bad for several reasons: The camo pants being one of them and the others I'll explain below; Firstly it should be noted that a knock out occurs when enough force makes contact with the head causing it to rapidly accelerate in one direction. Because the brain is suspended within the skull by the brain stem, by the time your head stops moving or it 'snaps' back, the brain hits the interior of the skull resulting in damage. This damage is what causes the brain to short circuit, resulting in a knock out. Whether a punch results a knockout or not depends on a few things: The psychical conditions of both the defender and the aggressor. Where the punch lands. Overall technique - rotation, weight distribution, timing, speed and power. Distance. Whether the aggressor sees the punch coming or not. In terms of whether or not the Uppercut is the most powerful punch in Boxing, a study was published in 2005 by NCBI which concluded that the short hook is not only the most powerful punch in Boxing but also the punch that will most likely result in a knock out: Concussion in professional football: comparison with boxing head impacts--part 10 and Concussion data. The study also concluded that the uppercut (not including the shovel hook) is actually the weakest punch in Boxing. I would go as far as saying its also one of the hardest punches to throw correctly in Boxing, especially against a moving target. When he demonstrates the uppercut, there are two main problems I can see: His wrist isn't straight - His fist isn't in the correct position/angle which is why he's having difficultly striking the chin. He's dropping his punching arm - Resulting in a telegraphed punch. He then goes onto state that the palm heel strike is better than the uppercut. However unfortunately for him, his palm heel strike is just as horrible as his uppercut for the exact same reasons. And yes, the rest of his videos are just as shocking as this one. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ncBG5dEWjI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ncBG5dEWjI[/ame]
Not sure about this. Is what you are posting a policy regarding only this single area or thread or-- is this a change of policy regarding anytime a clip is posted on MAP in ANY area? Thoughts? Comments? Best Wishes, Bruce
Just a thought: I recognize a number of the techniques that this person is doing, and I know that the technique itself is sound and effective. However, they are not executed the way this person is doing them and I see this a LOT in these clips. Anytime I ask where the rest of the technique is, I get messages like "well.... its done with "KI"". Personally I think THAT is where the real lack of Ethics comes in. In Hapkido, for instance, we don't pretend that a technique does not take effort on the part of the practitioner. To represent that one can somehow produce a result without effort on the part of the Self perhaps through some "magic" is IMHO Un-ethical. This right up there with "anybody" can do this. Thats not true, but makes for great marketing. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9geVhOf6UoM&list=UUXCxUgsEo5Ntay4PBnk7cWQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9geVhOf6UoM&list=UUXCxUgsEo5Ntay4PBnk7cWQ[/ame] From post #17 of this thread. For something called "First Action," I expected the instructor/winner to get off the line of attack. Getting off the line should be the first action, but in this video it's not. In fact, the instructor never gets off the line. He gets grabbed at 43 seconds and again at 2:54, and in both situations you'll see that he thereafter remains in the same position, to wit, directly in front of the attacker. That's bad. The attacks/grabs are fake. I know this is just an instructional demo video. Everything is staged, everything is rehearsed, just like for a movie. I get it. But at the same time, if the attack is phony, then the martial arts is phony. You have to do it "right" in order for the martial arts defense to be legitimate. Look at the attacker's posture for both grabs. He's so severely off balance that a four-year-old could knock him over. Don't give me that. There was no talk, ever, of extension or "taking out the slack" or whatever you want to call it, the subject being that the defender has to take away the attacker's ability to move that arm for a moment in time. It's during that moment in time that the defender has a chance get the lock. He's not going to get the lock on someone who can move the offending arm. This is well known by fans of BJJ/wrestling, but outsiders seem to seldom notice that we're doing the exact same thing in aikido. This guy ain't doing it, though. That's bad. Look at that "reverse wrist press" or whatever you call the finishing lock. You can't do it if there's slack in the fall guy's arm. If he can bend his elbow, or twist at the shoulder, then he has already escaped. I think there was looseness in his arm. That needs to be discussed in the video.
Here's an example of really poor sportsmanship. Where was his coach? Why wasn't he escorted away from the mat? I didn't realize there were trophies for tantrums... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEh1cBeJdJM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEh1cBeJdJM[/ame]
