IRT Scenario Based Training

Discussion in 'Self Defence' started by Brian R. VanCis, Oct 31, 2014.

  1. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

    Last night we did some Scenario Based Training at the Las Vegas Martial Arts Academy. It was a lot of fun and hopefully very educational for the participants who got to get adrenalized, pressure test as well as having to mire through dialogue and demands from everything from a crazy person, drunk uncle, mugger, attempted rapist, angry motorist, etc.
     
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  2. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

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  3. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    That helmet looks like the cheat code for "big head" in Golden Eye on n64
     
  4. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Like you're old enough to remember that!




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    Damn now I feel old.
     
  5. FunnyBadger

    FunnyBadger I love food :)

    Lol retro gaming for the win !
     
  6. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    Well, at least now you don't have to worry about being attacked by a bobble head.
     
  7. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Brian, did you make the bullet man type helmet yourself?
     
  8. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

  9. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

    Chadderz I prefer "Dark Helmet". lol

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  10. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Thank you, Brian.

    There are arguments both for and against having just one man suited with the others as you have them, with safety helmets only.

    Guys like Eddie Quinn and his Approach System use just one man suited, while in my training with jwt he's had all parties suited.

    What advantages or reasons do you have for having one person suited?
     
  11. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

    Well the big advantage of using this suit is that while in it, I can take full power blows to the head, body, groin. I do not mean just minor blows I can kneel and you can kick me as hard as you possibly can in the head and I cannot feel it. I have taken shots from 350 lb males and not felt a thing. So the advantage there is that my partners in the Scenario can really light me up if it is appropriate in the Scenario. Now, I have helmets on the people training so that if I brush them, give them a decent smack, etc. they will not be hurt. I was pretty much concentrating any strikes or pushes I might do in that area for this scenario training. When striking me they do not need as much padding. If I want them to take more of a shot then I will pad them up more. (we do that as well) I do not believe in just any one approach. Also it is not really feasible financially to have everyone wearing a Predator Body Armor suit or one of Tony Blauer's suits. They are extremely expensive! You can however put them in lesser padding but they certainly will not be able to go "all out" like they can on this suit. Bottom line is I believe in shifting training so that training is never ordinary but always different so that keeps everyone "edgy" or uncertain during their experience!
     
  12. John Titchen

    John Titchen Still Learning Supporter

    All training is compromise, we just have to work out which model suits our aims best.

    I bolded the statement above as I have gone that route and will have 10 people at a time in armour, more if I join forces with Mitch.
     
  13. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

    Ten people in body armor like Tony Blauer's suit or the Predator armor? Or very light armor not capable of taking full force shots? There is a difference. I have had up to 8 to 12 people in lighter armor but... you cannot do full force shots or someone is going to get hurt at some point.
     
  14. John Titchen

    John Titchen Still Learning Supporter

    Ten people in body armour like High Gear, Spartan or my equivalent. This is an example of a Spartan only group using some of my kit and some of Mitch's. We didn't use all my Spartan or any of my High Gear that day.
     

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  15. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

    Yeah I have worked with Spartan gear once. Pretty good solid equipment. No complaints from me about it at all. Would I take it over the Predator Armor for really letting the participants go all out. No I wouldn't but the compromise is you can put some more people in suits. Still good gear for scenario training. Jwt you are certainly giving your practitioner's a good time if you have that many suits to utilize.
     
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  16. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    We're like some giant Japanese composite robot of scenario training! :D

    Now there's a sentence I have never typed before!

    Mitch
     
  17. John Titchen

    John Titchen Still Learning Supporter

    Thanks Brian.

    I know we have to pull the head shots (though even pulled shots rock people). That's one of my compromises and the sacrifice made for the greater unpredictability as to who is going to do what and the psychological effects of that.

    Here's a mid event picture with a cheeky turn from MAP member Southpaw.
     

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  18. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

    Yes, I would agree that there are compromises any way around it in scenario training. However, the equipment now is a lot better than say even 16 years ago when I first started doing them. A few things remain constant though in that the leader or person setting up the scenario has to be very creative and get the ball rolling. When done right people get adrenalized and have to learn to deal with those effects. Things do not always go right or how someone wishes they would and well they have to deal with that area of unpredictability.

    One of the things I do in IRT is that there should be pre-confrontation, confrontation and post-confrontation assessments so that everyone has something on the line during the scenario. Nobody likes to be told by the group that what they did was poor or could have been done better. Everyone wants to shine generally. So having an evaluation already starts to get people fired up. I find this group talk afterwards as enlightening as what happens during!
     
  19. Brian R. VanCis

    Brian R. VanCis Valued Member

    Where most people have the most difficult time is the post-confrontation. What did they do during and afterwards to set themselves up for success either with the witnesses, police, lawyers, jury, etc.
     
  20. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I personally have got more out of post analysis that I have out of the actual scenarios.
     

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